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thetraveler



Joined: 24 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow...is that what most kindergarden jobs are like?
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thetraveler wrote:
Wow...is that what most kindergarden jobs are like?


It was for me. Some people love teaching kindy. I'm not one of them. I wouldn't do it for 5 million a month while others are happy to do it for less than half that.
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sjk1128



Joined: 04 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: TPR Reply with quote

I suggest lots of TPR activities. Google it to see what experts in the area say. I teach my youngest students using this method. We start out with things like

1.Raise your hand. 16. Step forward
2.Put your hand down. 17. Step back
3.Pick up your book. 18. Step to the side
4.Put your book down. 19. Touch your head
5.Stand up. 20. Clap your hands
6.Turn around. 21. Stamp your feet
7.Sit down. 22. Open your mouth
8.Come here. 23. Close your mouth
9.Go back. 24. Swing your arms
10.Say, �Blah, blah, blah.� 25. Count to 10
11.Open your book. 26. Walk
12.Close your book. 27. Run
13.Write. 28. Dance
14.Make a line. 29. Swim
15.Be quiet. 30. Ride a bicycle
16.Drive a car 31. Go to sleep

Start off with you saying it and doing it with them all. Then you can graduate to you saying it and watching them do it. Later, they'll start saying it of their own volition, and you can use that for other activities.

You can also devise games similar to "Simon Says" that "test" their memory of everything they've learned. In short, go for listening and assess their progress by their reaction, not what they say. For example, if you say "Go to the door" and they go to the door, then that's right and you should reward them in whatever way you do: praise them, clapping, a ride on your shoulders for a few of them. If they don't do it, you can choose to do nothing or punish them: scolding, time in the corner, etc.

TPR can take you really far. The man who came up with the idea, Asher (?), suggested you can teach 1000s of words and phrases this way, including storybooks. Read the story - age appropriate - with the pictures showing on a big overhead and have everyone act them out. Later just read passages from the story and check if they can remember the action. Depending oj how motivated you are, you can bring in props.

It's hard, but you can do it. Good luck.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can find a wealth of material right here on this forum,
because questions similar to yours have been asked 31 times since I started keeping count:

31
30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21
20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11
10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

The next time someone asks that question,
this will become thread number 32!
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dmbfan



Joined: 09 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have the tools, either a lap top or a projector hooked to the computer, I recommend this.....


www.starfall.com


good stuff to be used, here.


dmbfan

P.S. If you want a good ice breaker, then type in "Mana Mana" in you tube.
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garykasparov



Joined: 27 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 3-year olds = Crack cocaine
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icicle



Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thetraveler wrote:
Wow...is that what most kindergarden jobs are like?


No all kindergarten jobs are not like this ... I teach Kindergarten and Elementary ... And there are 7 in one of my classes and 8 in the other ... and that is a great class size ... and I think both easier and much more effective than the really large classes ... I spend about half my time with Kindergarten classes and the rest with Elementary classes. I had a public middle school class last year with average class sizes of 39-40 and the different class sizes and different age group is great for me ... I am trained for Primary age students and really did not like/found stressful the amount of time that I had to sit around doing nothing in the public school ... I know that is me (and not everyone) ... I spend just a little more time at school now than I did last year ... Yes, I do have more actual teaching hours ... But I very much prefer that ... And still have enough time at school to do all my preparation without taking it home
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGF wrote:
run away!!!!!!!!


That was exactly my first thought! Wow... Shocked
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Re: TPR Reply with quote

sjk1128 wrote:
I suggest lots of TPR activities. Google it to see what experts in the area say. I teach my youngest students using this method. We start out with things like

1.Raise your hand. 16. Step forward
2.Put your hand down. 17. Step back
3.Pick up your book. 18. Step to the side
4.Put your book down. 19. Touch your head
5.Stand up. 20. Clap your hands
6.Turn around. 21. Stamp your feet
7.Sit down. 22. Open your mouth
8.Come here. 23. Close your mouth
9.Go back. 24. Swing your arms
10.Say, �Blah, blah, blah.� 25. Count to 10
11.Open your book. 26. Walk
12.Close your book. 27. Run
13.Write. 28. Dance
14.Make a line. 29. Swim
15.Be quiet. 30. Ride a bicycle
16.Drive a car 31. Go to sleep

Start off with you saying it and doing it with them all. Then you can graduate to you saying it and watching them do it. Later, they'll start saying it of their own volition, and you can use that for other activities.

You can also devise games similar to "Simon Says" that "test" their memory of everything they've learned. In short, go for listening and assess their progress by their reaction, not what they say. For example, if you say "Go to the door" and they go to the door, then that's right and you should reward them in whatever way you do: praise them, clapping, a ride on your shoulders for a few of them. If they don't do it, you can choose to do nothing or punish them: scolding, time in the corner, etc.

TPR can take you really far. The man who came up with the idea, Asher (?), suggested you can teach 1000s of words and phrases this way, including storybooks. Read the story - age appropriate - with the pictures showing on a big overhead and have everyone act them out. Later just read passages from the story and check if they can remember the action. Depending oj how motivated you are, you can bring in props.

It's hard, but you can do it. Good luck.


Thanks for your reminder about the value of TPR. I don't teach kindergarten. But before I came to Korea I taught classes in traditional American folk dancing for over 15 years. I also taught and called these dances at several hundred parties, wedding receptions, anniverseries, school retreats, etc. over 20 years or so. You'd think I'd remember the value of movement and TPR after all those years of teaching it for recreational purposes (mostly to adults).

But, in truth, I kinda forgot to incorporate it more into my ESL teaching in Korea. I have taught some of these dances at English camps and such, but really haven't made nearly enough use of TPR in my daily teaching life.

So, inspired by your reminder I started incorporating it with great success into my teaching of middle school today. Getting them up and moving around as a part of the learning process seems to get a very positive response from my students. We just split the classes into 2 smaller groups last week with the KT off in another room teaching half of them and me in the English Zone teaching half. I probably wouldn't have had the nerve to start incorporating TPR and basic folk dance movement into my teaching if one of my KTs was observing me, but once I've tried it out and can demonstrate its usefulness and success, I won't mind them seeing everything I do then.

I have an open class in 2 weeks. Wonder if I'll use it then. Pretty unorthodox for middle school.

Cheers.
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ds_fan



Joined: 07 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yip, i also have about 30 3 year olds, im teaching big classes of 4 year olds in korean age. they dont speak korean well yet, they dont know their own names, so they sit where a photo is of their face. stink of piss, snot all over their face, drooling and cant concetrate for more than 1 minute.


and guess what, having worked in a kindergaten hagwon, i never ever want to have children
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teachingld2004



Joined: 29 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:42 am    Post subject: 30 three year olds. Reply with quote

Sorry to say this, but there is nothing you can do.

30 kids at one time any age is rough, but 10 kids that age is impossible.

Talk to "the powers that be" and tell him/her that the Korean teacher has to be there at all times.

I understand that no matter what a contract states, in Korea the word "Contract" is a good laugh.

Even if you got rid of all the furniture they would fight. Even if you had lots of toys, they would fight/cry/wet their pants/throw things/yell/ pull on your clothes....

I love that age, but I will not "teach" more then 6 of them at one time.
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