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Kuros



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Kuros wrote:
I don't see how two wrongs make a right. Beijing should not have been given the Olympics. But now the West wants to boycott what was awarded?

What Olympics guidelines has Beijing violated? The West has set down its own yardsticks ex post facto on the Chinese gov't's behavior.

Furthermore, no doubt the PRC's behavior around the world is disgusting. But why should this mar the games for Chinese citizens.

I think a boycott would be folly. Chastise the Chinese gov't, support the Chinese people. Host the Dalai Lama, sanction Burma, divest from the Sudan, embarass Chinese emissaries on your own time, but treat the Olympics as the international games.

If I were Chinese, I would despise the West for their hypocrisy.


No reasonable person is calling for a total boycott of the games. I wouldn't view world leaders staying at home as a boycott. I merely view it as a protest of China's behavior in the international arena.

I view it as a protest of both the IOC and China.

And how are we being hypocritical?


Admittedly, world leaders may stay home as they wish. That is their decision. Because they are heads of state, everything they do has political ramifications, most notably where they go and under what terms they arrive.

If you distinguish between the IOC and various Western gov'ts and NGOs, then yes, I could see a protest of the games as being a protest against the IOC's decision to award the games to China as much as against China hosted games themselves.

But if you are going to make that distinction, between the IOC as a (Western) organization, and individual Western gov'ts themselves, one would wonder: why not distinguish also between the Chinese gov't and the Chinese people?

I know that Chinese, particularly Beijingers, are very excited about the Olympics. They more than Westerners have to deal with the corruption and ineptitude of Chinese leaders on a day by day basis. They will not appreciate the distinction between the IOC's decision and the games themselves, if those who protest cannot make the distinction between the Chinese gov't and the people of China.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard lines help no one
Well-intentioned protests in the west, most recently during the Olympic torch relay, could prompt a hardline crackdown in China that would do the Tibetan cause no good
Andrew Fischer


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When non-violent protests in Lhasa turned violent on March 14, the western media was filled with rare news about Tibet, mostly centred on the capital. Less attention was given to the eastern Tibetan areas outside the Tibetan Autonomous Region, even though these regions were witnessing the most widespread protests since the 1950s. However, attention has since been diverted to either ludicrous statements by the Chinese government or dramatic media stunts by pro-Tibet demonstrators in the west.

In the ensuing propaganda battle, Tibet itself is again being lost between the two extremes of hardcore Tibetan nationalists in exile and hardliners in Beijing. The result will probably take us further from the possibility of resolution between more moderate voices, with dire consequences for the 98% of Tibetans actually living in Tibet and not in exile.

It is understandable that pro-Tibet demonstrators would take advantage of the Olympic torch relay to bring attention to a just and long overdue cause. Beijing's own clumsy public relations response, combined with its repressive clampdown in Tibet, has bolstered those who have argued that China could never be trusted and that the only compromise with China is no compromise. But this position is dangerous because it is premised on the idea that there is nothing to lose, buttressed by exaggerated claims of "cultural genocide". Such alarmism mirrors the rhetoric of hardline leaders in Lhasa and Beijing, as if both sides are still living in the age of Mao.

In the hyped war of words, there is a very real danger that Tibetans in Tibet are being put at risk by the uncompromising political agendas set in the west. These are positions taken by people who have nothing to lose in Tibet or, worse, much to gain by riding the bandwagon of anti-China sentiment.

Conversely, the pro-Tibet media coups are playing into the hands of hardliners in Beijing. This is less obvious from the west, where Beijing's attempts to demonise the Dalai Lama appear ludicrous at best. Rather, we must understand Beijing's media counter-offensive in light of Chinese public opinion, for this is what matters most in the political struggles for influence within the Communist party.

With this in mind, hardliners in Beijing appear to be stoking up Han nationalist indignation at the suffering of Han Chinese civilians during the one-day eruption of violence in Lhasa, thereby attempting to legitimise an intensification of hardline policies across a region the size of western Europe and to an extent not seen since the days of Maoism.

It is a classic strategy. Oppressors typically capitalise on outbursts of violence from pockets of the oppressed in order to discredit legitimate grievances and more moderate political agendas, and to justify the use of repressive force.

Add the current Olympic torch demonstrations and the Tibet issue is effectively turned into an attack on China and the Chinese, rather than on the hard line policies of the current Chinese leadership, in much the same way that the Iraq war was turned into a question of patriotism in the US. In both cases, we cannot have an intelligent critical analysis of policies because hardliners play the nationalist card in their defence.

But Beijing's strategy digs even deeper, into the rarely mentioned reality that the Dalai Lama, and Tibetan Buddhism more generally, is in fact very popular in China. As far as I understand it, the Dalai Lama is keenly aware of this influence and realises that this channel is crucial for resolving the Tibet issue. For its part, Beijing strives to end his popular influence and to discredit his moderate political agenda among the Chinese.

Effectively, the Dalai Lama is waging a public opinion battle with Beijing within China itself, not within the west. Current Olympic demonstrations are not helping him in this battle.

We need to understand that the Chinese Communist party includes many differences of opinion, including some powerful voices in favour of negotiating with the Dalai Lama and genuine autonomy for Tibet. We must support these voices. However, they could be easily scared or forced into silence if nationalist anger were turned against them.

The problem must be clearly discerned; the problem is not with China or the Chinese, it is with the Tibet policies of the last 20 years pushed forward by a hardline faction within the Communist party. Moreover, it is unlikely that this faction will lose power anytime soon. It is also unthinkable that this or any other faction in the Communist party would consider letting go of Tibet. Therefore, we need to discredit the policies, not the leaders, nor their party, and certainly not the country and its citizens.

With these concerns in mind, we need to keep our eyes on the ball. Demonstrations and boycotts against the Olympics certainly grab headlines, but they are perceived within China as an attack on China and on the Chinese people, which bolsters nationalist support for hardliners. The collateral damage is often the very people in whose name we demonstrate.



http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/andrew_fischer/2008/04/hard_lines_help_no_one.html
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my god! Are the the planets in complete alignment? I think the Guardian op/ed page and the Wall Street Journal op/ed page are in agreement. I thought I would never see this day. LINK
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Olympic Torch Song
April 10, 2008; Page A14

The Olympic torch relay reached San Francisco yesterday, where it received the same welcome it had met in London and Paris days earlier � throngs of demonstrators lining up along the relay route, protesting China's human-rights record in Tibet. So it goes in the lead-up to the Beijing Olympics in August. And this is only April.

Meanwhile, also yesterday, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown became the latest European leader to say he would not attend the opening ceremony. German Chancellor Angela Merkel has already announced she's staying home, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy has indicated that he, too, will keep away if Beijing doesn't open talks with the Dalai Lama pronto. In short, the Olympics are shaping up to be a major embarrassment for Beijing.

All this was entirely predictable on the day in 2001 when the International Olympic Committee voted to award the 2008 Summer Games to Beijing. As with Tokyo in 1964 and Seoul in 1988, the Beijing Olympics represent a kind of a coming-out party for China, a chance for the rising Asian power to showcase its economic and political development. There is much for the world to admire and for the Chinese people to be proud of.

But as the crackdown in Tibet demonstrates, China still has far to go to meet developed-world standards in the way it treats its own people. Nor is it a responsible player on the world stage, as seen by its support of murderous regimes in Sudan and Burma.

Human-rights activists are seizing the media moment to point all this out. They rightly see the Olympics as an opportunity to draw international attention to their causes: Tibet, Darfur, Falun Gong, North Korean refugees, oppressed Christians, imprisoned journalists, and more. In San Francisco yesterday, Save Darfur demonstrators vied for space with Free Tibet supporters.

Beijing's oppression of the Tibetan people is indeed abhorrent. Freedoms of religion, speech and assembly do not exist. Most Tibetans live in poverty, excluded from the economic gains seen by the Han Chinese settlers dispatched by Beijing to Tibetan areas for the purpose of diluting local culture. Since China's annexation of Tibet in 1950, countless Tibetans have been killed and hundreds of religious sites destroyed.

Throughout these years of misery, China's leaders have refused to talk to the one man who might make a difference, the Dalai Lama. The religious leader eschews violence and, since the 1970s, has advocated autonomy, not independence, for his homeland. Beijing responds to his peaceful entreaties by degrading his status and calling him a "splittist." He has lived in exile in India since 1959.

After more than half a century of hearing only one side of Tibet's story, most Chinese believe Beijing's version and are insulted by the West's efforts on behalf of Tibetan rights. The torch protests encourage this line of thinking. They allow Beijing to brand the West as "anti-China" and play its nationalism card.

Even in San Francisco, which was chosen as the Olympic torch's only stop in North America in part because of its large Asian population, many Chinese-Americans are angered by the protests. Police yesterday worked to keep protestors waving the red, blue and yellow banner of Tibet separate from those carrying the red flag of China.

This is one reason the European boycott of the opening ceremony is destined to fail. Call it the ultimate European diplomatic stunt: an opportunity to express moral outrage about a problem while contributing nothing to its solution. The boycott could do more harm than good, enraging the Chinese people and playing into the hands of the Communist Party leadership. Hillary Clinton and some members of Congress are pressing President Bush to join the European boycott.

The White House said yesterday that there was "no change" in President Bush's plan to attend the Beijing Olympics � though it pointedly noted that he had never said he would attend the opening ceremony. The President himself renewed his call for China's leaders to open dialogue with the Dalai Lama. If China's leaders were to reach out to the exile, he said, "they'd find him to be a really fine man, a peaceful man."

No world leader, by the way, has more moral authority on the subject of human rights in Tibet than Mr. Bush. The President has invited the Dalai Lama to the White House, and in a moving ceremony on Capitol Hill last year personally presented him with Congress's highest civilian honor.

Mr. Bush could do more to further human rights in Tibet by attending the Olympics and, while there, speaking out on the plight of the Tibetan people. Such a statement, even if censored by the state media, would make its way to the Chinese people, who would understand by the fact of his presence that the U.S. President is not "anti-China."

There's an opportunity here for China too. If it is finally prepared to seek a lasting peace in Tibet, it could invite the Dalai Lama to attend the opening ceremony in Beijing on August 8 � escorted by Mr. Bush. There would be no better way to showcase China's progress.

See all of today's editorials and op-eds, plus video commentary, on Opinion Journal.

And add your comments to the Opinion Journal forum.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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