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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:43 am Post subject: Need a PhD? No. $96,000 per year teaching without PhD |
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Some people seem to think you MUST have a Ph.D. or doctorate to be a professor. I looked at the faculties of two large Korean universities. Here is a list of professors without Ph.D.s (Notice they have various ranks--assistant, associate, and full--simply written as Professor).
I did not include their names (__ __ __). The highest degree is noted.
Archeology
1. Associate Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Archeology
Arts
1. Assistant Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
Economics (and Management)
1. Professor / __ _ _ / Master of Business Administration
2. Professor / __ __ __ / Master of Arts in Management
Education
1. Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
English Language and Literature
1. Professor /K__ __ __ / Master of Arts
Finance
1. Professor / K___ __ __ / Master of Business Administration
Fine Arts
1. At one university 12 professors have Master of Fine Arts (1 Full, 5 Associate, 6 Assistant)
2. Assistant Professor / K____ ___ ___ / Master of Arts
3. Professor / ___ ____ __ / Bachelor of Fine Arts
German Language and Literature
1. Professor / _ _ _ / Master of Arts
Japanese Language and Literature
1. Associate Professor / ___ ____ ____ / Master of Arts
2. Professor / _____ ____ / Master of Arts
Music
1. Associate Professor / ____ ___ ____/ Bachelor of Music
2. Professor / ____ _____ ___ / Bachelor of Music
3. At one university 10 (full) professors have masters?degrees.
Natural Sciences (Biology)
1. Professor / ___ ___ ___/ Master of Science
Physical Education
1. Professor / C__ ___ ___/ Master of Physical Education
2. Professor / H______ ____ ____/ Master of Arts
3. Professor / K___ H. ____/ Master of Arts
Sociology
1. Professor / K___ __ __/ Master of Arts in Sociology
2. Professor / __ ___ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology
3. Professor / ___ ____ ___/ Master of Arts in Sociology
4. Professor /L ___ ____ / Master of Arts in Sociology
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Fascinating. Couldn't happen back home. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:19 am Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, you can be a seesional professor witha PHD
Kevin Gildea, Professor of English Lit at Carleton University you suck |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:41 am Post subject: |
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The Man known as The Man,
Have you seen RateMyProfessors.ca?
Rate Your Professor
Kevin Gildea
School: Carleton University
Department: English
Comments:
1. Prof. Gildea is really funny and a great lecturer despite his notorious digressions and philosophical asides. He has high expectations and refuses to give anyone anything above an A- so watch out for your GPAs.
2. You guys who think he's hard or hate him must be smoking crack. He's awesome, and far more brilliant than most of you can ever aspire to be.
http://www.ratemyprofessors.ca/ShowRatings.jsp?sid=1420&tid=31400 |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:45 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99,
Perhaps, it could happen back home. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Just going on personal experience, and how he ranks to other professors in the department.
Guess students have to cut him slack as every other English Professor in the Department have their PHD.
If he got his act together, more power to him.
I have more than enough digressions to check out the rank your professors website particularly for a professor who was a jackass back in the day
edit: I made time for one
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| The Man known as The Man wrote: |
Just going on persoanl experience, and how he ranks to other professors in the department.
Guess students have to cut him slack as every other English Professor in the Department have their PHD.
If he got his act together, more power to him.
I have more than enough digressions to check out the rank your professors website particularly for a professor who was a jackass back in the day |
The guy was the most arrogant professor I've had, and the fact he only had his M.A. is THAT much worse. You all know how arrogant Korean professors can get, this guy was worse imo. He was NOT helpful to me at all. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:29 am Post subject: |
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Can anyone call themselves "Professor" if they teach in a college/university?
I always thought that you had to have a Ph.D. Also, that you had to be extensively published, as well as have contributed to the body of research/literature in your field of academic study. Without this, can people refer to themselves as "Professor" merely because they teach EFL on a college campus in South Korea? Doesn't seem right, to me.
I can imagine how my friends back in Canada would LAUGH (hard and long) at me if they knew that I actually referred to myself as a "Professor" 
Anyone have more info on the legit usage of this title "Prof"? |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| TECO wrote: |
| Anyone have more info on the legit usage of this title "Prof"? |
Technically speaking, you can use the title "professor" if your university has given that title to you, regardless of your qualifications. I don't bother to use it though because it's kinda silly, since I only have an M.A.
However, I think where RealReality's mistake comes in is by assuming that underqualified foreigners should have equal status with their Korean counterparts, just because they share the title professor. (He's alluded to this in countless threads.) However, froeigners may hold the title professor, but that in no way implies that they deserve equal footing with Koreans who have Ph.D.'s an tons of publications. It's a bit arrogant for an underqualified foreigner to expect so much, if you ask me. |
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Arthur Fonzerelli
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Ladies and Gentlemen...The REAL 'Professor'
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Professor
One who professed, or publicly teaches, any science or branch of learning; especially, an officer in a university, college, or other seminary, whose business it is to read lectures, or instruct students, in a particular branch of learning; as a professor of theology, of botany, of mathematics, or of political economy.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=professor
Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary
J.B. Clamence wrote,
"However, froeigners may hold the title professor, but that in no way implies that they deserve equal footing with Koreans who have Ph.D.'s an tons of publications."
A professor who was part of an examination committee that accepted several ghostwritten theses said, "The quality of the theses was poor, but I didn't want to disqualify them. I never knew they were written by others." The head of the company hired ghostwriters of doctoral degrees, often college undergraduates, and let them write master's theses for customers, the prosecution said. The customers paid between 1.5 million won and 4 million won per thesis.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200303/17/200303170205221879900090409041.html
"tons of publications."
A professor of engineering said it was common for there to be up to ten co-authors on a paper, most of whom have had nothing to do with it. Last year, Professor Han at "E" University who had failed to be promoted managed to do so after his name was appended to his student's paper.
http://www.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200204/200204251020.html
Money key to teaching posts
More than 100 of the respondents said school officials demanded outright bribes from them. Thirty-three heads of private university foundations, 28 private school professors and 11 presidents of private universities allegedly demanded payment. Nearly 8 out of 10 respondents said the recruitment process was meaningless because many of the colleges had already decided who they would hire. Almost two-thirds said the recruitment process centered on regional or school connections.
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/200207/09/200207090054252629900090409041.html
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Real Reality
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:34 am Post subject: |
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And this is a bad thing? You're slipping Real Reality. Better get back to posting about how much Korea sucks.  |
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Deconstructor
Joined: 30 Dec 2003
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| TECO wrote: |
Can anyone call themselves "Professor" if they teach in a college/university?
Anyone have more info on the legit usage of this title "Prof"? |
Actually professorship is a title given to a lecturer at a university. Like you said, you have to have done your homework: be published, etc.
In French language however, you can be called a professor even if you teach at a high school or primary school. I teach at both in Montreal and everyone calls me "professeur". |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Deconstuctor:
I grew up in Canada also. I would guess that "Professor" is a title only used to refer to those people who are
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| A college or university teacher who ranks above an associate professor. |
If friends/family new that we were calling ourselves "Professor" with only B.A. degrees, they'd no doubt think we were idiots.
The definition I've taken from the internet:
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| someone who is a member of the faculty at a college or university |
But in South Korea, it looks like many of you have used the following definition of "Professor":
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| A teacher or instructor. |
Either way, in Canadian culture, the frist definition of "Professor" is what most people think of when they hear the word - Ph.D/Doctorate, well published, eminent thinker within the academic community.
Even with an M.A. - I find it hard that people refer to themselves as "Professor" |
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