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danielkim80
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: To english teachers here ! |
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I'm not JAD, and i don't know who he is. so don't mention about it. well .... I respect english teachers. thanks for your boundless energy in teaching english in korea. but show some respect toward korean and their culture. you know the difference between cultural relativism and ethnocentrism. Korea has its own unique culture. Korea needs to be accept Global manner and at the same time you have to try to understand korean culture and people. For example, if you call korean saying 'Hey' , its big disrespectful way of treating people. you guys are all diplomat of your countries and the way you act can generalize the people of your countries. so when you are in foreign country, be careful in every single word and behavior. Don't forget many koreans watching this board and it might spread negative view toward english teachers in korea. its my last message. i'm leaving here. BYE.
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skconqueror
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: |
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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| Bye, back to starcraft, maple story or sudden attack? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| First time caller, long time listener. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Re: To english teachers here ! |
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| danielkim80 wrote: |
you guys are all diplomat of your countries and the way you act can generalize the people of your countries. so when you are in foreign country, be careful in every single word and behavior. Don't forget many koreans watching this board and it might spread negative view toward english teachers in korea..
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Wise words.
Maybe you would have had a better time on these boards without the antagonistic thread topics.
You have to realise that we are sick of being stereotyped negatively over here, and we get sensitive about certain topics. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Re: To english teachers here ! |
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| danielkim80 wrote: |
Don't forget many koreans watching this board and it might spread negative view toward english teachers in korea. its my last message. i'm leaving here. BYE.
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Dude, didn't you make at least three different threads detailing your infatuation with Russian/Eastern European women?
That's how you entered this forum. No problem, you were curious and all and wanted more information. And nobody really hated on you.
Then you decided to go on and discuss how Korean people felt about English teachers. I'm not sure who appointed you ambassador, but it's all good. You expressed your opinion and that's fine.
But then your last few threads started to get a little more, oh I don't know, "judgmental".
And you lost me there.
You think "Korean women will stop wanting to date you after seeing Daniel Henning" or "Teacher's suck, why not be a soldier" threads secretly exhibited your contempt for some of us.
While I agree that some of the tone on this board is nausiating from time to time, and the negativity does get a bit much.
You have to realize that many aspects of Korea and it's culture are insane. I'm sorry, but cultural relativism aside, Korea can straight up be f-u-ck-ed up at times.
Everything from:
- shady azz hagwon bosses ripping us off with little recourse to protect our rights (which is really most foreigners initial introduction to this country and its culture�..no wonder why so many English teachers grow to be bitter here)
- to Korean males cockblocking us on the dance floor or calling are girlfriends whores on the street
- to the fact that the law will almost always favor the Korean (gyopos get screwed on this as well) over the foreigner.
- to the massive levels of prostitution and alcoholism (yet foreigners are the womanizers and alcoholics  )
- to the country going ape shi-t over unfortunate traffic accidents
- to a nation suffering from a massive inferiority complex masked by a sometimes in -your-face superiority complex
- to a nation easily riled up by nationalist sentiments against foreigners and foreign countries, while at the same time failing to put equal distain against the fact the North Korean regime is currently treating large numbers of Korean like garbage, that former Presidents' and current Chaebol companies owe much of their existence to Japan and its money, and the fact that prior to the annexation of Korea this country was a cesspool that treated the majority of its citizens as slaves. (sorry for the run-on sentence) |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: |
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There's nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade, and if there's something that drives me nuts about this country then I have every right to express myself.
Now are our home countries perfect. Hell no!! (except for Canada 
But let�s also keep it real here. Western culture and money dominates this planet. Like it or not, that�s the way it is.
Secondly, South Korea as a nation wouldn�t exist if it weren�t for Western intervention, primarily from the good old U S of A.
Finally, Korea and many other countries pay natives from a select few countries to come over here and teach English. A language that also dominates the globe culturally and economically.
This is where a lot of this �elitism� probably stems from.
There�s also a noticeable difference in the dating and marriage scene in regards to Western men/Asian women and Asian men/Western women.
I also think this aspect gets to a lot of foreign males heads and adds to their feelings of superiority.
I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just simply trying to explain what makes some of us tick. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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One final point:
The language barrier is also another reason for some of the problems here.
Korean is not an easy language to learn. And to become fluent in it or at least be able to express yourself in an intelligent and mature manner, you need years of study.
Add to the fact that most English teachers here work full time, learning this language can be quite tough.
As a result neither side (English teachers or local Koreans) have little chance to truely interact with one another. Although if this was possible it could also creat some more problems  as I think many foreigners would be dead set against playing the Confusion card. |
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mrgiles
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| dk oh sweetie don't let em get u down. u might b goin thru some hard times, but if u take quite firm positions - or incoherent ones for that matter - u've got 2 expect some people opposing them! |
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: To english teachers here ! |
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| danielkim80 wrote: |
| you guys are all diplomat of your countries and the way you act can generalize the people of your countries. |
You are also coming on here representing your country. Maybe you want to think about that before posting?
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: To english teachers here ! |
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| danielkim80 wrote: |
I'm not JAD, and i don't know who he is. so don't mention about it. well .... I respect english teachers. thanks for your boundless energy in teaching english in korea. but show some respect toward korean and their culture. you know the difference between cultural relativism and ethnocentrism. Korea has its own unique culture. Korea needs to be accept Global manner and at the same time you have to try to understand korean culture and people. For example, if you call korean saying 'Hey' , its big disrespectful way of treating people. you guys are all diplomat of your countries and the way you act can generalize the people of your countries. so when you are in foreign country, be careful in every single word and behavior. Don't forget many koreans watching this board and it might spread negative view toward english teachers in korea. its my last message. i'm leaving here. BYE.
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And just for the sake of saving this in an uneditable form.....
Who knows, somebody might just want to refer to it later.
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: To english teachers here ! |
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| danielkim80 wrote: |
I'm not JAD, and i don't know who he is. so don't mention about it. well .... I respect english teachers. thanks for your boundless energy in teaching english in korea. but show some respect toward korean and their culture. you know the difference between cultural relativism and ethnocentrism. Korea has its own unique culture. Korea needs to be accept Global manner and at the same time you have to try to understand korean culture and people. For example, if you call korean saying 'Hey' , its big disrespectful way of treating people.
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Especially since 'respectful' Koreans would never even think of saying that to a foreigner, right? |
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komerican
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: To english teachers here ! |
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[quote="endo"]
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Don't forget many koreans watching this board and it might spread negative view toward english teachers in korea. its my last message. i'm leaving here. BYE.
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Dude, didn't you make at least three different threads detailing your infatuation with Russian/Eastern European women?
That's how you entered this forum. No problem, you were curious and all and wanted more information. And nobody really hated on you.
Then you decided to go on and discuss how Korean people felt about English teachers. I'm not sure who appointed you ambassador, but it's all good. You expressed your opinion and that's fine.
But then your last few threads started to get a little more, oh I don't know, "judgmental".
And you lost me there.
You think "Korean women will stop wanting to date you after seeing Daniel Henning" or "Teacher's suck, why not be a soldier" threads secretly exhibited your contempt for some of us.
While I agree that some of the tone on this board is nausiating from time to time, and the negativity does get a bit much.
You have to realize that many aspects of Korea and it's culture are insane. I'm sorry, but cultural relativism aside, Korea can straight up be f-u-ck-ed up at times.
Everything from:
- shady azz hagwon bosses ripping us off with little recourse to protect our rights (which is really most foreigners initial introduction to this country and its culture�..no wonder why so many English teachers grow to be bitter here)
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English hogwons are a blight on this land.
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| - to Korean males cockblocking us on the dance floor or calling are girlfriends whores on the street |
But actually, calling koreans cockblockers is just another form of name-calling and scapegoating. The westerner's odd definition of xenophobia is whether Asian women will date them or not.
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- to the fact that the law will almost always favor the Korean (gyopos get screwed on this as well) over the foreigner. |
The law favors those with money and power all over the world. Canada, where you come from is the same way. If someone wants to challenge the law in Korea then they can pay for a lawyer.
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- to the massive levels of prostitution and alcoholism (yet foreigners are the womanizers and alcoholics ) |
Western Europe has imported about 500,000 prostitutes from Eastern Europe (there are plenty of western prostitutes also). It's less visible in the west because they use call girls. The recent resignation of the New York governor on charges that he paid thousands for a few hours with a call girl is an example of how common this activity is. If you go to the lower east side of New York City for example, you'll see suburban men from New Jersey, up-state New York, long island driving to the city to pick of hookers. There are tens of thousands of westerners addicted to hard drugs let meth and cocaine. As a westerner you have zero credibility lecturing to Koreans about substance abuse.
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| - to the country going ape shi-t over unfortunate traffic accidents |
Korean's didn't go "ape shi-t" over that until the US military ficked up the investigation, basically absolving itself of all responsibility before any investigation. Imagine what would have happened it Koreans had tried to justify Virginia Tech.
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| - to a nation suffering from a massive inferiority complex masked by a sometimes in -your-face superiority complex |
There's no inferiority complex here. There's nothing wrong with Koreans being loud and proud about being Korean. It�s doesn�t surprise me that you�re so angry about Koreans being proud. You as an insecure westerner cannot stomach any Asian being proud. You've grown up with timid Asians at dry-cleaning stores or Chinese takeouts. You're more comfortable with weak Asians like Hopsing on Bonanza,
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| - to a nation easily riled up by nationalist sentiments against foreigners and foreign countries, while at the same time failing to put equal distain against the fact the North Korean regime is currently treating large numbers of Korean like garbage, |
More nonsense. Korea is surrounded by Communist China, a rising right in Japan, and loony NK. National sentiments are a reasonable defense for Korea faced with these national threats. You can�t possibly understand this because you're from Canada, a country whose whole security is guaranteed forever by the "good ol US" as you put it.
By God! a Canadian should not talk about nationalism to Koreans and should not be taken seriously if he does.
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that former Presidents' and current Chaebol companies owe much of their existence to Japan and its money, |
This shows wrong your thinking is. We owe the Japanese exactly nothing. The Japanese got something also for their monetary settlement with President Park.
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| and the fact that prior to the annexation of Korea this country was a cesspool that treated the majority of its citizens as slaves. (sorry for the run-on sentence) |
more emotional rants from an angry white man. Korea was poor but it was made poor by the wars with Japan and others. Which explains Korean isolationist policies. Policies that japan and the US have followed at different times in their history. Also, Korea was on its way to reforming itself until it was stabbed in the back by Roosevelt. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Decent post komerican |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: To english teachers here ! |
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There's no inferiority complex here. There's nothing wrong with Koreans being loud and proud about being Korean. It�s doesn�t surprise me that you�re so angry about Koreans being proud. You as an insecure westerner cannot stomach any Asian being proud. You've grown up with timid Asians at dry-cleaning stores or Chinese takeouts. You're more comfortable with weak Asians like Hopsing on Bonanza,
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Well, there's a difference between pride and needing self-approval. No, there's nothing wrong with Koreans being proud about a lot of things, especially it's economic acheivements from c. 1970-1997. But when (a) most Koreans are quite unfamiliar with the rest of the world, even Asia, and (b) certain Korean claims are so downright farcical, it gets a bit much. Like sorry, I've been to HK, and Korea is not a hub of Asia, etc. Where I come from Cantonese males are the top-earning demographic bracket and I'm fine with that. I've never noticed much collective insecurity from them. But when certain Koreans feel a need to make their opinions known about things they know nothing about it really makes me wonder what the hell is driving them to do so if not insecurity. |
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