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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Cigarette advertising ban complete in Ontario Reply with quote



I started to notice convenience stores had "cigarettes" completely blacked out. At first I thought it was because maybe that store had sold to minors and were banned from selling. Eventually I noticed every convenience store in my town had cigarettes blacked out. Either it's an explicit law against all advertising, including banning the world in total (I wonder if paper dictionaries have had to do the same?), or else stores have simply decided to interpret the law in the extreme, lest they later find themselves in trouble.
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livinginkunsan



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so? Rolling Eyes
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Czarjorge



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Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm coming to Korea because I'll be able to smoke in bars. God damn liberals... uh, conservatives.... God damn nonsmokers. Freedom my ass.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

livinginkunsan wrote:
so? Rolling Eyes


There is no so. Just a small change I noticed back at home. I could recommend some good porn sites for you if you prefer something more exciting.
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philipjames



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think it's a profoundly progressive development. Good for Ontario. The sooner we stamp out the cigarette industry the better. It won't be mourned.
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philipjames wrote:
Personally I think it's a profoundly progressive development. Good for Ontario. The sooner we stamp out the cigarette industry the better. It won't be mourned.


Amen! We need the government to make more decisions on our behalf, because people aren't capable of making them themselves. Freedom is overrated.
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philipjames



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some aspects of freedom are over-rated, especially when freedoms aren't used responsibly. Yes, in principle, one has the right to smoke. But smokers are among the most obnoxious people on earth. Do they respect non-smokers' rights not to inhale their disgusting smoke? No. They smoke anywhere at anytime if they can get away with it. Smokers light up in pubs directly next to non-smokers. THey light up around nonsmokers eatig a meal in a restaurant. They walk down the street smoking away, without a thought for the non-smokers walking behind them is getting a facefull of smoke....And don't get me started on the fucking tobacco companies targeting adults and children alike with addictive substances.

The sooner public smoking and advertizing is banned the better. Smokers and the tobacco industry alike brought this backlash on themselves by their obnoxious behaviour.
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Bingo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Totally agree. However banning public smoking doesn't go far enough. Parents who smoke in front of their kids are absolutely disgraceful. If you have children you do not even have the right to smoke in your car or in your home. Smokers go on about their rights, and how we shouldn't infringe on them. Yet they don't give a damn about the rights of others not to be assaulted by their smoke. It is especially obnoxious to expose children to tobacco smoke in their own home. Yes, you have the right to smoke. No, you don't have the right to inflict it on others. How can smokers not understand this?
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate smoking cigarettes. I think it is a filthy, disgusting, unhealthy, stinky habit. I can't stand to be around it, and certainly not while I am eating.

However, I hate even more a government telling me I can't smoke. How do I know I won't change my mind some day and take it up?

To paraphrase, I may not like what you smoke, but I'll defend to the death your right to smoke it.

BTW, Thank You for Smoking, is a great flick!
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
However, I hate even more a government telling me I can't smoke. How do I know I won't change my mind some day and take it up?

To paraphrase, I may not like what you smoke, but I'll defend to the death your right to smoke it.


Amen (this time it's not sarcastic)! I'm a non-smoker too and can't stand the smell, but it shouldn't be hard to see that the erosion of freedoms almost always happens gradually. First smoking is relegated to certain areas of restaurants and bars. Eventually it's banned from restaurants and bars altogether.
It isn't long, as what's happening in NY state and elsewhere with transfats, until there are similar regulations on what we eat.
What will be next? Only time will tell, unless the idea that your body, mind, and, by corollary, your property, ultimately belong to the state is rejected.
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
bacasper wrote:
However, I hate even more a government telling me I can't smoke. How do I know I won't change my mind some day and take it up?

To paraphrase, I may not like what you smoke, but I'll defend to the death your right to smoke it.


Amen (this time it's not sarcastic)! I'm a non-smoker too and can't stand the smell, but it shouldn't be hard to see that the erosion of freedoms almost always happens gradually. First smoking is relegated to certain areas of restaurants and bars. Eventually it's banned from restaurants and bars altogether.
It isn't long, as what's happening in NY state and elsewhere with transfats, until there are similar regulations on what we eat.
What will be next? Only time will tell, unless the idea that your body, mind, and, by corollary, your property, ultimately belong to the state is rejected.


hm. well in canada, your medical care is the realm of the state. most people, except the more right-wing fruitcakes laud that idea (even though it has shit the bed royally in canada).

in a place where the government pays your medical bills, does it not also have a right to try and restrict your access to something that will drive those bills up?

and why should my tax dollars go to pay for someone who smoked all their life, got cancer and is now looking for free handouts? why should i sit back and watch while the great utopian idea of socialized medicine is slowly eroded by people who don't need to be a burden on it?

in my mind it's the government saying "man, had we known 100 years ago what this shit did to people, we would have never allowed people to sell it in the first place!"

now if only turn of the century reefer-heads had become as united as the tobacco lobby did. i suppose they were too busy listening to jazz and humping each other to accomplish anything.
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yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on. It's not like they are banning you from a completely innocuous habit of say wearing a yellow hat or something. Your right to smoke has been proven to cause illnesses and cancers!

Now if the byproducts of this habit were completely contained within your system than fine but I'm sorry, my right not to breathe your second hand smoke, or the right of a child not to be poisoned from a young age or the right of a waitress not to get cancer superceeds your right to smoke.

You are complaining about a ban on advertising as if it is taking away your right to do something. It's not. The fact remains, many people get hooked on cigarettes at a young age before they are really able to comprehend the seriousness of their decision. All the ban on advertising does is slightly limit the chance of an impressionable kid taking up a possibly life threatening habit.

It does not limit any of your freedoms. Other than perhaps your personal freedom to view an advertisement for possibly ,the developed world's number one killer. There are many more important personal freedoms to worry about losing. Rolling Eyes


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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
I hate smoking cigarettes. I think it is a filthy, disgusting, unhealthy, stinky habit. I can't stand to be around it, and certainly not while I am eating.

However, I hate even more a government telling me I can't smoke. How do I know I won't change my mind some day and take it up?

To paraphrase, I may not like what you smoke, but I'll defend to the death your right to smoke it.

BTW, Thank You for Smoking, is a great flick!


Alas when we have universal health care and no chance to opt out and subscribe to a private system, it then becomes societies job to tell us to stop costing people money. Seatbelt laws, helmet laws, etc.

I hate smoking but I think it should be legal (in places). The home, your car, outside. Since it's legal, advertisers should be allowed to use every trick in the book to sell them and sell more of them. If people are too stupid to see through advertising and we can't teach our children to be skeptical consumers, then we're all doomed.
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uberscheisse



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
bacasper wrote:
I hate smoking cigarettes. I think it is a filthy, disgusting, unhealthy, stinky habit. I can't stand to be around it, and certainly not while I am eating.

However, I hate even more a government telling me I can't smoke. How do I know I won't change my mind some day and take it up?

To paraphrase, I may not like what you smoke, but I'll defend to the death your right to smoke it.

BTW, Thank You for Smoking, is a great flick!


Alas when we have universal health care and no chance to opt out and subscribe to a private system, it then becomes societies job to tell us to stop costing people money. Seatbelt laws, helmet laws, etc.


and if we leave it to privatization it lends itself to over-litigious idiots who expect the seller of dangerous products, i.e. mcdonalds coffee, cigarettes (which people have been warned about as being carcinogenic since who knows when) to bear the liability.

in the end, both systems imply that people can't (or refuse to, or are too stupid to) take care of themselves.

on one hand people fall back on the state. on the other hand, people freak out and complain "wait... crappy food and cigarettes, both of which have tons of information PRINTED ON THE FUCKING PACKAGE... how on earth could it be MY fault that i'm unhealthy? IT'S SUE-TIME!"
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laogaiguk



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Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
bacasper wrote:
However, I hate even more a government telling me I can't smoke. How do I know I won't change my mind some day and take it up?

To paraphrase, I may not like what you smoke, but I'll defend to the death your right to smoke it.


Amen (this time it's not sarcastic)! I'm a non-smoker too and can't stand the smell, but it shouldn't be hard to see that the erosion of freedoms almost always happens gradually. First smoking is relegated to certain areas of restaurants and bars. Eventually it's banned from restaurants and bars altogether.
It isn't long, as what's happening in NY state and elsewhere with transfats, until there are similar regulations on what we eat.
What will be next? Only time will tell, unless the idea that your body, mind, and, by corollary, your property, ultimately belong to the state is rejected.


I totally agree with the freedom issue, but the complete ban in restaurants (maybe not bars) was a good thing.
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