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jetrash

Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Location: the united steaks
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: |
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mnhnhyouh wrote: |
PM away
I might make sense of it.
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i can post some things here.
THIS INDICATES AROUND 58 PERCENT PROJECTED IN 1990(THATS ALL TYPES,LATENT,ACTIVE)
http://www.knta.or.kr/programs/coi/한국의결핵현황.doc
its becoming such a problem,korean govt is policy is thinking about making TB treatment free from 2011.
Gov't to Provide Free TB Treatment from 2011
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All of Korea's tuberculosis patients will be treated free of charge from 2011 under a government plan unveiled on Monday.
To mark the March 24 observation of World TB Day, the Korea Center for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC) unveiled its "Tuberculosis Eradication 2030" plan at a seminar at the National Assembly.
As of 2006, about 35,000 new TB cases occurred and approximately 2,800 patients died of the disease annually in South Korea.
As of 2005 the rate of TB infection in South Korea was 96 new cases for every 100,000 people. By comparison, the figure was five per 100,000 people in the U.S., 14 in the UK, and 28 in Japan.
South Korea's annual budget for TB control is estimated at more than W10 billion (US$1=W1,029).
With a view to improving TB management and control to an advanced level by 2030, the KCDC plans to cover the medical costs of low-income TB patients from 2010 and all TB patients from 2011.
Kim Jeom-ja, an AIDS and TB manager at the KCDC, said, "South Korea ranks lowest among the OECD nations in tuberculosis control. Government subsidies are urgently needed to eradicate this infectious disease." |
see the "96 cases per yr per 100 thousand"..thats the reported figure.
most people are not tested here...or recieve the right treatment.
the person i know with it HAD recieved the BCG injectionas a child..the strain got thu that.
the actual figures at the health ministry are different,as they are in the major drug companies(glaxo,merck etc)
in north korea,100km from where im sitting now, its actually officially an epidemic acc, to the REDCROSS,with 100/200 cases per 100thou TB has reached the level of epidemic.
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The present incidence is estimated to be between 100-200/100,000 population with 70% of TB cases affected the most productive age group of 15-54 years. WithWHO support the DOTS (Directly Observed Treatment Short-course) strategy has been introduced in DPRK. TB has reached the level of epidemic. The DOTS programme should be expanded in a phased manner to ensure the quality in the implementation. More long-term funding is required for the control of TB in DPR Korea |
http://www.mi.infn.it/~landnet/corea/proc/021.pdf
the korean govt paper here, hopes to lower the levels of tb in korea to western countries levels by 2015(currently stated here,by their own admission it is [b]10 times higher
[img]www.law.gmu.edu/nctl/stpp/pubs/PanelIV-Choi_000.ppt [/img] |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: |
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You say 30% of Koreans have TB. Would that be mostly adults or children or both? I work around children all day. I assume they aren't TB carriers. That's for horking old men, right?^^ |
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jetrash

Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Location: the united steaks
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:59 am Post subject: |
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children have it too..its really to do with proximity to other carrier,their family,coughing over each other ,sharing spoons etc
the old guys just have had it for longer,so more messed up diseased lungs,and the TB tainted flem n cough combo thats so big in their demographic.
but in precis..the longer in korea(as citizen or visitor) the higher the risk to exposure....as some posters have contracted it here,and we are such a small community,i think it says it all. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:13 am Post subject: |
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I have some questions, jetrash.
The tubercular old guys. How did they end up having it untreated for so long? Salarymen and teachers get health checks every two years I think it is. This includes, I assume, a TB check.
Since tuberculosis is a serious disease how is it that, as you say, 30% of Koreans have it? Why is that? Why isn't there checking and treatment to follow up?
I don't know anything about tuberculosis, really. But it seems there's less of it back in the U.S., Canada, etc. Is that because there's more checking and treatment. Thus the numbers of infected are down?
I've heard that there's more hepatitis in Korea than back in the West, as well. Why is that? My point is why, if these are serious communicable diseases, aren't checks and then treatments controlling them to keep the numbers of infected down?
Why is there this scary number like 30% infected with tuberculosis possible here, in Korea, which is the 12th largest economic power (or so I've heard, corrrect me if I'm wrong).
And, if most Koreans are not tested (again, why is this?), why are we being tested for TB as part of the new, required health checks to qualify for an E2 visa (I assume TB check is on the scans). |
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jetrash

Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Location: the united steaks
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: |
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look,korea is still an unregulated society.
IE.they have toilets next to kitchens,food prep areas..your here you know the deal.
IE.they wash food on the floor,then serve it.
IE.they dont even put their hands over their mouths and cough straight into you.
in chinese chambers of state there are still spittoons(go to the chinese govt buildings in beijing )
the doctors here make it up as they go along.
their food sharing/hygene/overcrowding allow and promote the spread of TB...
THE GOVT CONTROLS THE PRESS AND WANTS KOREA TO APPEAR CLEAN/MODERN SO NO REPORTING.
OVERCROWDING HAS INCREASED
TB HAS ALWAYS BEEN PRESENT HERE AT A HIGH LEVEL
ABUSE OF WESTERN ANTIBIOTICS BY SLAPDASH MEDICAL CARE HAS MUTATED THE TB VIRUS HERE AND CHINA
PROXIMITY TO NORTH KOREA WHERE REDCROSS HAS DECLARED EPIDEMIC
PS.on the hep issue i can get the figure from the seoul hospital tomorrow..i know again like TB the figure is not published |
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ryouga013
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:35 am Post subject: |
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It seems the commmon pretest for TB is an Xray. I will be getting my tests for that fairly soon. If something shows up in the Xray, then they do a different test.
and yeah, some people do confuse TB with bronchitis, especially when they can get a very bad case of it. A year ago I got a viral and bacterial form of bronchitis at the same time and was sick for a month... it was hell. blood mucus and everything in between...
As far as an outbreak goes, I am not aware of anything really happening at the moment, but I am out of the loop on many things. |
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gangpae
Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Busan
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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Korea Spittle! |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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FWIW, I was exposed to TB while living in Toronto. I got meds over 8 months or so and was profilaxed~ whatever. My doctor told me that I'll never get infected or die of TB.
TB is rampant in North Korea. In the South, it seems to be fairly prevalent. One needs to look at exposure and infection. They are two different things.
My point is that TB is all around the world. |
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gangpae
Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Busan
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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The 30% number is ridiculous. That would be a plague. 2 packs a day is the main reason for the coughing, saliva spitting ajjeoshi. |
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jetrash

Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Location: the united steaks
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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gangpae wrote: |
The 30% number is ridiculous. That would be a plague. 2 packs a day is the main reason for the coughing, saliva spitting ajjeoshi. |
yep smoking,sure,and the T B and the yellow dust.
it isofficially defined as a epidemic right now, in north korea, by the red cross,as stated/linked in post above
...again:
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The present incidence is estimated to be between 100-200/100,000 population with 70% of TB cases affected the most productive age group of 15-54 years. WithWHO support the DOTS (Directly Observed Treatment Short-course) strategy has been introduced in DPRK. TB has reached the level of epidemic. The DOTS programme should be expanded in a phased manner to ensure the quality in the implementation. More long-term funding is required for the control of TB in DPR Korea |
http://www.mi.infn.it/~landnet/corea/proc/021.pdf
and ,again,as i quoted before,in south korea,the 30 percent figure includes latent TB ie all who have tested positive,even if it is not active.
SO ONE CAN NOT CATCH TB FROM ALL THAT FIGURE.
for example ,i often see socially the girl who had it in her bone marrow,undetected in korea,until australian immi picked it up.
korean gov figures in link below ,this includes PROJECTIONS based on what they can predict from random tested samples of the population...v scary figures.you see you could be an active carrier with no symtoms.
http://www.knta.or.kr/programs/coi/한국의결핵현황.doc
other existing epidemics in sporkle include herp (appx 30pcnt) and hep(apx 25 to 30 percent)
the BCG is not effective anymore.
the girl i knew whith it was a pharmicist,and had had the korean tb shot as a child.
this is part of the problem here,that the BCG is no longer effective,but people are not aware of the fact.
my korean wife works in this field.
so we are very aware of what is happening in this country esp re.TB. outbreak.
....but is is not really shouted about by korean govt (although as a measure they are making TB treatment free for the nation, in 2/3 yrs)
enjoy.
seoul may look like a run down area of detroit in 1976,but it is still ASIA, goddammit...and they dont really have concepts of personal space.this proximity spreads disease in ideal coditions(subway anyone??)
just keep away from coughing koreans.
ok? now wash your hands. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Good thing I got a TB shot before coming. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: |
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PeteJB wrote: |
Good thing I got a TB shot before coming. |
It is too bad that you are over the age of 10.
The protective efficacy of BCG for preventing serious forms of TB (e.g. meningitis) in children is greater than 80%; its protective efficacy for preventing pulmonary TB in adolescents and adults is variable, ranging from 0 to 80%.
- Bannon M (1999). "BCG and tuberculosis". Arch Dis Child 80 (1): 80-3. PMID 10325767 |
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jetrash

Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Location: the united steaks
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: |
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i agree.. also the new TB strains in asia are TOTALLY resistant to the BCG vaccine,as i said ealier in thread..whatever ones age. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:20 am Post subject: Student |
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We just had a student at our high school die of TB last week. Tragic, but preventable in most cases if people would go to a University hospital instead of trusting the local variety doctor that exists in most places. I see way too many sick people that could get relief if they would exercise a bit more common sense. I am an MD in Alt Med myself, and I have to say I would never even consider fooling people into the thinking that everything was okay by taking a small regime of herbs and natural remedies. Health matters are important, and people need to start being practical about their personal health needs. Countless thousands of people die because they have been fooled into thinking they will get better with time, and eventually passed the point of curable action and remedy from their illness. The vast majority of physicians in this country can treat the normal everyday symptoms people exhibit, but they must be willing to recognize when other options must be put into play when people do not respond to medication or therapy.
As a physician and practitioner I am inclined to believe the fields of medicine should be working together more rather than against each other with such vehemency.
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jetrash

Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Location: the united steaks
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: Re: Student |
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tob55 wrote: |
We just had a student at our high school die of TB last week. Tragic, but preventable in most cases if people would go to a University hospital instead of trusting the local variety doctor that exists in most places. I see way too many sick people that could get relief if they would exercise a bit more common sense. I am an MD in Alt Med myself, and I have to say I would never even consider fooling people into the thinking that everything was okay by taking a small regime of herbs and natural remedies. Health matters are important, and people need to start being practical about their personal health needs. Countless thousands of people die because they have been fooled into thinking they will get better with time, and eventually passed the point of curable action and remedy from their illness. The vast majority of physicians in this country can treat the normal everyday symptoms people exhibit, but they must be willing to recognized when other options must be put into play when people do not respond to medication or therapy.
As a physician and practitioner I am inclined to believe the fields of medicine should be working together more rather than against each other with such vehemency. |
well said.
part of the problem here,is the chinese herbal BS runs in tandom with western medicine,which almost did eradicate TB,befoe drug misuse helped create resistant strains. |
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