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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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Don't expect particularly rational discourse from wannago. That isn't what he's about. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| Atta kid. Make it personal. That IS what you are all about. |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
Location: On your computer screen.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: Re: This Just In: The U.S. is no longer #1! |
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It seems as though China took over the dubious title of world's biggest polluter a year or two ago. With the US economy sagging and the Chinese economy booming, will the environmentalists start putting pressure on the Chinese to clean up?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347638.stm |
I see, China has a population of well over about 1.3 billion people against the US's population of about 300 million and you think it's wrong that the Chinese should somehow pollute more than the USA? |
uh, wannago? You never really addressed this point. Instead you made up a straw man that people were calling the US evil when nobody was.
this thread = fail |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: Re: This Just In: The U.S. is no longer #1! |
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| asylum seeker wrote: |
| blade wrote: |
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It seems as though China took over the dubious title of world's biggest polluter a year or two ago. With the US economy sagging and the Chinese economy booming, will the environmentalists start putting pressure on the Chinese to clean up?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7347638.stm |
I see, China has a population of well over about 1.3 billion people against the US's population of about 300 million and you think it's wrong that the Chinese should somehow pollute more than the USA? |
uh, wannago? You never really addressed this point. Instead you made up a straw man that people were calling the US evil when nobody was. |
OK, Einstein....where did I ever say "it's wrong that the Chinese should somehow pollute more than the USA?" CLUE: I didn't. I just asked if China would now be pressured to reduce emissions. I guess that touched a nerve with the "China can do no wrong" crowd...you included, evidently. No one called the US "evil" but when China becomes the world's largest polluter, they are given a pass and more excuses as to why this should be acceptable from them. Lame, all of them. Are you rooting for them in that little scuffle in Tibet, too? |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| We are all affected by pollution in some form or another. We must change course or we will simply head into that errant direction we are heading to. The Chinese people do deserve cleaner air. Anyway, many companies are moving out of China, and many countries moved their companies to China including from the US, and that's part and parcel of the problem. I believe the environmental movement is beginning to gain ground in China. There are so many who want to rape the lands they live in and the seas and think that's great progress. The Chinese will pay a heavy price if they continue like this. Definitely, it can't be just the EU and the US tackling pollution. India and China must do what they can. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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China isn't just #1 in pollution, but executions as well.
China "Gold Medal" For Executions
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The Chinese authorities put to death at least 470 people last year, but probably killed many more, human rights group Amnesty International has said.
Amnesty said the hidden extent of executions in China, where figures are secret, might mean the Olympic host was behind the bulk of them worldwide. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| Even the UN said it wasn't fair to put USa and China in the same boat as China is a developing country trying to take people out of poverty. |
Wow, I know you were trying to convey a valid point about China having in different circumstances than the US. But man, it comes out like a CCP talking point.
Chinese individuals have a right to clean air, too. And the CCP has chosen to invest in coal plants.
I know what you were trying to say, and what you were responding to, but pollution causes a host of problems. Mostly to people who have to live in it. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:02 am Post subject: Re: This Just In: The U.S. is no longer #1! |
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OK, Einstein....where did I ever say "it's wrong that the Chinese should somehow pollute more than the USA?" CLUE: I didn't. I just asked if China would now be pressured to reduce emissions. I guess that touched a nerve with the "China can do no wrong" crowd...you included, evidently. No one called the US "evil" but when China becomes the world's largest polluter, they are given a pass and more excuses as to why this should be acceptable from them. Lame, all of them. Are you rooting for them in that little scuffle in Tibet, too? |
Yes Wannago, you've proven you're point. Lefties hate success and they think we should feel guilty for our successes. Furthermore, they may not say so directly, but through their actions, words and policy proposals they think they know better than the unenlightened commoner. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: Re: This Just In: The U.S. is no longer #1! |
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OK, Einstein....where did I ever say "it's wrong that the Chinese should somehow pollute more than the USA?" CLUE: I didn't. I just asked if China would now be pressured to reduce emissions. I guess that touched a nerve with the "China can do no wrong" crowd...you included, evidently. No one called the US "evil" but when China becomes the world's largest polluter, they are given a pass and more excuses as to why this should be acceptable from them. Lame, all of them. Are you rooting for them in that little scuffle in Tibet, too? |
If China's pollution largely falls back on them, then why not let them pollute themselves while they produce cheap goods for us? |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
China isn't just #1 in pollution, but executions as well.
China "Gold Medal" For Executions
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The Chinese authorities put to death at least 470 people last year, but probably killed many more, human rights group Amnesty International has said.
Amnesty said the hidden extent of executions in China, where figures are secret, might mean the Olympic host was behind the bulk of them worldwide. |
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I'm surprised this went on as long as it did without someone bringing up the human rights issue.
Part of the blame still lies with the US, specifically our car companies. Did you know US cars, specifically the Buick of all things, are the hot cars in China? Vehicle emissions are a big, and increasing, part of the pollution coming out of China. If our, or China's, vehicle standards were higher the pollution would be better. We're both bad guys here. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: This Just In: The U.S. is no longer #1! |
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| Pluto wrote: |
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OK, Einstein....where did I ever say "it's wrong that the Chinese should somehow pollute more than the USA?" CLUE: I didn't. I just asked if China would now be pressured to reduce emissions. I guess that touched a nerve with the "China can do no wrong" crowd...you included, evidently. No one called the US "evil" but when China becomes the world's largest polluter, they are given a pass and more excuses as to why this should be acceptable from them. Lame, all of them. Are you rooting for them in that little scuffle in Tibet, too? |
Yes Wannago, you've proven you're point. Lefties hate success and they think we should feel guilty for our successes. Furthermore, they may not say so directly, but through their actions, words and policy proposals they think they know better than the unenlightened commoner. |
My God, it's like the man sees straight into my soul. 
It's nice to know that neither party has a monopoly on condescension, and I look forward to reading conservative tirades about how effing stupid the American voters are, this November. After McCain gets his ass handed to him and the GOP loses seats in both chambers. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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How ironic and rather sad that the poster above me yearns for McCain getting his ass handed to him in a thread about the environment. McCain knows what to do. Left Wing environmentalism is a disease and watching these folks in action is exactly like watching clowns and freaks perform.
If we look at c02 emissions by country, the EU, the US, Canada, Japan, Korea together produce 40% of the whole. Let's concentrate on ourselves instead of the Chinese. Let's aim for 100% nuclear and renewable energy for electricity production and electric cars....in our countries. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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Environmentalism is not a left- or right-wing issue.
McCain does not know what to do. The best policy proposal he can come up with is a summer repeal of the gas tax; his issue sheet is not an issue sheet at all but a vague statement of principles. But, but, but he believes in global warming! Wonderful, that means he is in the top ninety percent of the human race's IQ distribution; but it's not a qualification to be President.
I will stipulate that he is better than many Republican officeholders (hello, bottom ten percent, I'm looking at you), and I agree with his general pro-nuclear stance, but the only thing he really understands or wants to talk about is war. His own experience of it, and America's future waging of it. All other issues would be distant also-rans in a McCain administration. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
| Environmentalism is not a left- or right-wing issue. |
I totally agree it shouldn't be one, but it is one. We've got the loony Right conservatives on one side who posit discourse that's as lay and base as it is ideologically and patriotically driven in opposition to an international consensus of scientific expertise on one side; and on the other side we've got clueless Far Lefties who call themselves environmentalists yet are against the sole thing that can meet expanding energy needs yet also cut emissions. Only time will tell how absolutely deadly both sides are. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, well....so, its not about the amount of pollutants put in the air, its just about the eeeevil US. |
Are you saying that that is a rational sentence in this context? |
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