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Big_Bird
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 Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: Male postnatal depression affects child behaviour |
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Male postnatal depression affects child behaviour, study shows:
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Postnatal depression in fathers can have long-term psychological effects on their children, a new study reveals.
The babies of depressed men are twice as likely to suffer from behavioural problems in later years as those whose fathers are not depressed, the Children of the 90s survey by the University of Bristol found.
The results reflected the father's role in socialising their children and raised questions about the age at which children become sensitive to their parents' moods, researchers said.
Psychiatrists warned that the findings could be a portent of future social problems as paternal postnatal depression becomes more widespread.
Postnatal depression is said to affect about one mother in 10 but is less well recognised, and more controversial, in new fathers. Different research has found that 3-10% of men are affected.
The Children of the 90s figures are the second batch to be published.
The first figures, released three years ago, found that boys of depressed fathers appeared twice as likely as other boys to develop behavioural problems by the age of three and a half.
The latest figures, which are not divided by sex, point to a "persisting and clinically significant level of disturbance" that has significant implications for the future functioning of the children affected and for society, the authors of the study wrote.
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Why do you think new fathers might get depressed? Probably because they are no longer getting any... |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps the realization that their life is TRULY now over. 
I think most honest and good men can rationalize leaving a long term girlfriend. We could even rationalize leaving a wife under certain circumstances. Kids change that.
After kids, there are only two options. Accepting your fate or running from it and feeling like a douche for the rest of your life. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
Perhaps the realization that their life is TRULY now over.
I think most honest and good men can rationalize leaving a long term girlfriend. We could even rationalize leaving a wife under certain circumstances. Kids change that.
After kids, there are only two options. Accepting your fate or running from it and feeling like a douche for the rest of your life. |
There's probably some truth to your explanation - for women as well as men. |
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Manner of Speaking
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| From an anthropological perspective, perhaps one hypothesis is that in industrial civilizations, child-rearing is primarily a family-solitary experience. The parents are relatively isolated from the rest of the community in terms of child-rearing activities, whereas in more communal, traditional societies, more of the community is involved in raising children; this may mitigate some of the stress that couples experience in raising children. There is the old expression, "It takes a village to raise a child." |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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This article does not support the idea that birth of a child contributes to paternal postnatal depression, since the fathers had a history of depression and high anxiety scores in the prenatal period.
Also, while I haven't read the article in full, neither might it support the idea that psychopathology at age 7 is related to paternal postnatal depression. Some depression and anxiety syndromes have genetic components and if this was not controlled for, it could not be attributed with confidence to the postnatal environment. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
This article does not support the idea that birth of a child contributes to paternal postnatal depression, since the fathers had a history of depression and high anxiety scores in the prenatal period.
Also, while I haven't read the article in full, neither might it support the idea that psychopathology at age 7 is related to paternal postnatal depression. Some depression and anxiety syndromes have genetic components and if this was not controlled for, it could not be attributed with confidence to the postnatal environment. |
The article does hint that it is contentious, and not universally recognised. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| From an anthropological perspective, perhaps one hypothesis is that in industrial civilizations, child-rearing is primarily a family-solitary experience. The parents are relatively isolated from the rest of the community in terms of child-rearing activities, whereas in more communal, traditional societies, more of the community is involved in raising children; this may mitigate some of the stress that couples experience in raising children. There is the old expression, "It takes a village to raise a child." |
This is so true. On the Why Italy's women are out of work thread - which transformed into the 'why are Italy's women not popping out enough sprogs?' thread - I was going to make this very point (but realised I had much more important things to do - like study for an impending exam!). Bringing up kids the modern way is horrendous! The nuclear family is a bloody crazy idea, as far as childrearing goes. In the old days you had an extended family to spread the hard work around, and make no bones about it, bringing up a cute little brat is work, intensive work. Someone on there (Justin Hale?) appeared to be advocating single mums rearing kids. Good heavens! Very few women choose to be single mums - they almost always have it thrust upon them. And being a single mum to one kid is one thing, but having 2 or 3 or more kids would be unbelievably difficult. Those few women who do dream of being single mums are either hopeless romantics who haven't got a bloody clue of what will hit them, or wealthy enough to afford nannys and au pairs. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| I do not have any children, and I do not know if it would be a good idea for me to have one considering the challenges associated with raising a child in the post-industrial era. It can be a strain on couples to raise a child. Big Bird did you always feel you wanted to have children? As far as depression, it is rather common among many people these days with the lack of social bonds and the focus on materialism etc... |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Bird did you always feel you wanted to have children? |
No. I never had any particular desire to be a mother, though neither did I have any goal to be childless. I guess I assumed I'd enjoy my life either way. After all, there are advantages and disadvantages either way. My first child was unplanned (conceived within the first month of my marriage) and I had intended to go a few years before starting a family (my husband was keen, but I wanted us to have travelled some more, and saved up more dough). When I found I was pregnant, I was bloody shocked, and initially dismayed, but very soon came to embrace it. Now he is my little angel, and I would do anything for him. His gorgeous little brother too (whom I wanted as a companion to my firstborn).
Neither of us suffered post-natal depression though. We were just in awe of the little critter and thought it was all marvelous. It's bloody hard going sometimes, but I would not change it. Almost all parents will find it well worth it - and being a parent is an amazing experience. And it will get easier as they grow. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| Big Bird did you always feel you wanted to have children? |
No. I never had any particular desire to be a mother, though neither did I have any goal to be childless. I guess I assumed I'd enjoy my life either way. After all, there are advantages and disadvantages either way. My first child was unplanned (conceived within the first month of my marriage) and I had intended to go a few years before starting a family (my husband was keen, but I wanted us to have travelled some more, and saved up more dough). When I found I was pregnant, I was bloody shocked, and initially dismayed, but very soon came to embrace it. Now he is my little angel, and I would do anything for him. His gorgeous little brother too (whom I wanted as a companion to my firstborn).
Neither of us suffered post-natal depression though. We were just in awe of the little critter and thought it was all marvelous. It's bloody hard going sometimes, but I would not change it. Almost all parents will find it well worth it - and being a parent is an amazing experience. And it will get easier as they grow. |
I have no plans for having children, though I am not opposed to the idea per se. I know I am not ready for kids right now. Now, there are many women who do not want to have children at all or say they don't. It is a widespread thing among Western women. I am not saying that's good or bad. People should only have children if they feel maybe a part of them would want to have children, and they would do their best to be good and loving parents. |
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