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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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Oh geez...that puts it in perspective. The first time they played recording they distorted the sound to set up his Peanuts joke. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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The problem isnt the bitterness.
The problem is grouping religion with disliking people who are different from you. The problem is 'clinging to guns.' And it does not shock me that Jon Stewart failed to address this. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
The problem isnt the bitterness.
The problem is grouping religion with disliking people who are different from you. The problem is 'clinging to guns.' And it does not shock me that Jon Stewart failed to address this. |
No. The problem is that...
there...
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no...
problem.
The polls didn't budge, the super delegates didn't care, the voters of PA are smarter than Hillary and Chris Matthews (now there's some strange bedfellows) give them credit for, and this whole thing amounted to exactly zip. People are worried about Hillary making this into 100% of her ad campaign in PA? Ha. Let her. She was going to win PA anyway, and it just makes her look worse to do this kind of thing. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone else find it funny to Hillary talk about gun-owner rights? The same Hillary that received an 'F' from the NRA for her votes concerning gun-owner rights. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Does anyone else find it funny to Hillary talk about gun-owner rights? The same Hillary that received an 'F' from the NRA for her votes concerning gun-owner rights. |
Well, yeah, but all you have to do to get an 'F' from the NRA is express mild, conditional opposition to the use of AK-47s for pigeon hunting in Times Square. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
The problem isnt the bitterness.
The problem is grouping religion with disliking people who are different from you. The problem is 'clinging to guns.' And it does not shock me that Jon Stewart failed to address this. |
No. The problem is that...
there...
is....
no...
problem.
The polls didn't budge, the super delegates didn't care, the voters of PA are smarter than Hillary and Chris Matthews (now there's some strange bedfellows) give them credit for, and this whole thing amounted to exactly zip. People are worried about Hillary making this into 100% of her ad campaign in PA? Ha. Let her. She was going to win PA anyway, and it just makes her look worse to do this kind of thing. |
Hillary has fumbled this horribly. I've come to the conclusion that she doesn't deserve the nomination. Unfortunately, this doesn't warm me any towards Obama. (Richardson should have been nominated, or at least someone with some experience, like Biden, or hell, Dodd)
Bitterness is the last thing she should be focusing on. Kaus talks about the four problems with 'the cling Gaffe:'
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4) Yes, he's condescending. It's not just that in explaining everyone to everyone Obama winds up patronizing everyone. He doesn't patronize everyone equally. Specifically, he regards the views of these Pennsylvanians as epiphenomena--byproducts of economic stagnation--in a way he doesn't regard, say, his own views as epiphenomena.
3) He's contradicted his own positions--at least on trade and (says Instapundit) guns.. Isn't Obama the one trying to tar Hillary as a supporter of NAFTA? Is that just 'boob bait'?
2) Even if Obama wasn't equating anything on his list with anything else, he did openly accuse Pennsylvanians of being racists ("antipathy to people who aren't like them").
1) It lumps together things Obama wants us to think he thinks are good (religion) with things he undoubtedly thinks are bad (racism, anti-immigrant sentiment).
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: |
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Here is a good analogy from the Wall Street Journal opinion page:
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| Imagine an election race of Pat Robertson versus James Dobson, each of them appearing at organic grocery stores and Starbucks throughout Massachusetts, with each candidate insisting that he alone deserves the vote of gay-marriage advocates. An equally silly spectacle is taking place these days in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Indiana, West Virginia and Kentucky, as Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama compete for the pro-gun vote. |
The Democrats and Gun Control |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, that's pretty good.
Makes Hiliary look like the loser as well. Particularly her whole 'shot guns in Pennsylvania as a kid' speech.
The Obama is an Elitist comedy shtick is a funny one too. True though, shouldnt that be a GOOD thing!! Do we really need beer-drinking, bowling average joe who doesnt know anything as President. Isnt it a better idea to have someone who actually knows what they are doing.
I flicked around some other youtube stuff, and the interview with Michele Obama was real good. They jokingly asked her about her elitist side growing up on the South Side of Chicago. Funny. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Here's Jon Chait, talking about how the Republican intelligentsia can't take advantage of the Obama flap.
I think, like Jon Stewart and the other Obambistas on this thread, he understates the full flub that was Obama's comment, censoring his remarks on 'distrusting people unlike them and being anti-trade.' Nevertheless, he shows why its hypocritical for the Republicans to try to make the most of Obama's comments:
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Republicans do want to make working-class voters pay a higher proportion of the tax burden, restrain popular social programs, erode the value of the minimum wage, and so on.
Democrats, on the other hand, have no plans to keep anybody from attending church or hunting. A few years ago, their gun-control agenda revolved around issues like safety locks, banning assault weapons, and other restrictions carefully designed to have virtually no impact on hunters or average gun owners. Now Democrats have abandoned even those meager steps. The GOP's appeal on those "issues" rests on cultural pandering rather than any concrete legislative program.
And, while it may be elitist to say so, voting for a politician merely because he can mimic your lifestyle is not a very good idea. George Will and the Journal editors would never dream of voting on the basis of which candidate related best to their culture. They support the candidates who share their policy goals, not those who share their passion for watching baseball, or flogging the servants, or whatever other pastimes they may enjoy. |
Exactly right. |
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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
I flicked around some other youtube stuff, and the interview with Michele Obama was real good. They jokingly asked her about her elitist side growing up on the South Side of Chicago. Funny. |
Got a link for that interview? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
I flicked around some other youtube stuff, and the interview with Michele Obama was real good. They jokingly asked her about her elitist side growing up on the South Side of Chicago. Funny. |
I was born and raised on the South Side of Chicago, and I'm a raging elitist. Just saying, it's possible. |
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