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[loose_ends]

A letter by authors from the "truth movement" has just been published in an online civil engineering journal.

The authors look at fourteen points of agreement between them and NIST and FEMA revealing the glaring problems and contradictions of the official hypothesis of fire induced collapse.

Besides the important issues raised in the paper, it is also very important because it passed the scientific journal peer review process. The claims made by Jones et al have now entered the scientific community.

The issues the paper raises were done so in a way to help bridge cooperation between NIST and the "truth movement". We are after all waiting for the long delayed WTC7 report which has preliminarily hypothesized that a single column failure caused complete and symmetrical collapse at near-free fall.

Jones also claims a second paper will be published soon.

This is a link to Jones announcement on 911blogger. Links to the paper can be found there.

http://911blogger.com/node/15081?page=2

[bacasper]

This is good news, but why not post it in your "Official 9/11 Thread!!!?"

Alternatively, you might want to start a WTC7 thread.

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[CentralCali]

Paper or letter? There is a difference.

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[JMO]

I've got to say that this just does not look like a scientific paper. I edit technical papers at my university(for english) and they don't look like this. One it seems way too broad. They use the first person plural way too much(not supposed to use that in a technical paper i thought).

Is it a paper or a letter stating their general position?

It just doesn't look like one. Where are the formulae or the math that you would expect to see? This is supposed to be a technical journal and yet it reads more like an opinion piece.

[ontheway]

This "publication" is an act of desperation and not any indication of "success" by Dr. Quack et al.

1. This so called Open Engineering Journal is an on-line vanity publisher. They will publish just about anything for a fee. The fee is $600. Dr. Jones paid to have his "letter" published on the internet under this "journal's" name, because no one is taking him seriously.

2. The journal's list of rules only indicate that there is peer review for research articles and not for letters.

3. The journal also indicates that you can have your own group of peers review the paper as long as there are 4 of them and they are not the authors or members of the same group.


Dr. Quack is now using quack publishing.

This is the same as buying a degree.

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[Gopher]

The Open Civil Engineering Journal? Never heard of it. Have no idea which university or which professional society publishes it, either. It is currently at Volume 2. How do we know that "the truthers" did not found this "journal" so that they could start "publishing" such "papers?" Or perhaps this is the journal's way of drawing attention to itself? Unfortunate. In my book, its credibility just sank to zero.

Finally, letters to the editor are not peer-reviewed. They, like Op-eds in the major newspapers, are not subject to the same process articles are re: publication. And if authors must pay to submit and publish an article, well, again, this "journal's" credibility stands at zero in my book.

This is not big news, then. This and the publicity and fanfare "truthers" are giving it represent a pathetic and desperate grasp at legitimacy.

[Pligganease]

Every time I hear the words "truth movement" and "truther," it makes me laugh.

I guess this where we see the difference between truth and fact. See, a fact is something that can be proven. Truth is something that you have to convince people is fact.

"Truthers" must try to convince us that their version of events is what happened, when facts point the opposite direction.

[Gopher]

Right. I just think of Agent Mulder and the Lone Gunmen, who almost certainly represent the epistemological origins of this entire vein of "thinking" with these posters.

[BreakfastInBed]

The Truth Movement. That was the name of Corey Feldman's rock band. Saw them at a dive bar in Detroit. Corey Feldman and the Truth Movement, no lie. They are to legitimate rock music as these other folks are to science I expect.

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