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Who Do You Most Admire in World History/Politics and Why?
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Gopher



Joined: 04 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Who Do You Most Admire in World History/Politics and Why? Reply with quote

This thread inspired by this comment...

Kuros wrote:
its wierd to see Gopher quote Gandhi. I thought he was a Republican...


I wonder how our views of each other's views might change, at least in some cases. In any case, list the top three people you most admire in world history and/or politics today. And briefly explain why. See where it goes...

In alphabetical order:

Mahatma Gandhi. Because I agree with everything he ever said and stood for. Without reservation. That almost never happens with people I read.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. For his beyond-brilliant brilliance.

FDR. Because I think he was the twentieth-century's best American president, and because he managed multiple crises very well, in my view. I think there is a good case to be suggested that the Cold War might not have occurred had he lived through 1948.

OK, I will add another: Hern�n Cort�s. He arrived in an alien land, very accurately read and assessed the situation, and veni, vidi, vici. Two years. Perhaps the world's most consummate realist.
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Pluto



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam Smith was one of the most brilliant men of the Scottish Enlightenment. His treatise, An Inquiry into the Wealth of Nations, was far before his time. He was the first ones to come up with the concepts of free market capitalism that we know today. He even coined the term, the invisible hand of the free market. Much of what is understood about modern economics today, stems from his works.

An interesting tidbit from Wiki:
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On returning home to Kirkcaldy, Smith was elected fellow of the Royal Society of London and he devoted much of the next ten years to his magnum opus, The Wealth of Nations, which appeared in 1776.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This morning I was actually thinking of posting a similar question: what current political leader do you admire?

Personally I admire Alvaro Uribe of Colombia. I think he's done a very impressive job since he became President. Sadly, that is all that comes to my mind right now. If Sarkozy actually carries out some of his ideas and does a lot of what he says he wants to do, I might have some admiration for him.
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kotakji



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one that pops into my head would be Otto von Bismarck. Another consummate politician and realist, though a series of wars with Austria, France, and Denmark he overcame domestic splits along religious and social grounds and unified the scattered HRE into Germany. Yet after unifying Germany he turned his efforts to maintaining peace on the continent- eventually this position forced the end of his career as the Kaiser fell under the influence of militarists. One could certainly speculate that had he managed to stay in power longer and lived a little longer the first world war could have been avoided. He managed to keep Germany (mostly) out of the colonization mess the rest of Western Europe endured.
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soviet_man



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vladimir Lenin
A towering figure of the 20th century. For the development of a revolutionary stategy, the heading of the Soviet state and for creating a non-capitalist structure.

Genghis Khan
Uniter of nomadic tribes. Developer of a Eurasian empire.

Imam Khomeini
The first supreme leader of Iran. Leader of the Islamic revolution. For his ideas, courage and the development of a modern Iranian identity.
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mnhnhyouh



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peter the Great.

The first to implement the scorched ground policy and retreat east leaving Charles XII's army nothing. This was later used against Napolean and Hitler.

He made huge strides (both literally and figuratively) taking Russia from being a very backward country to a much more modern one.

Sure, he was brutal, but so was his upbringing. He would have been killed had he not been brutal.

I also liked that he tried to hide (he was 6'9" or something) in Europe as a shipbuilder for a while Smile

He worked standing up, and had a desk made for this. It was so high that others could not read what was on there Smile


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nicholas_chiasson



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soviet_man wrote:
Vladimir Lenin
A towering figure of the 20th century. For the development of a revolutionary stategy, the heading of the Soviet state and for creating a non-capitalist structure.

The thread said 'admire'
You admire the founder of the CHEKA!?
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John McCain and Ron Paul at the moment (the former on environment and energy policy and Paul on personal liberty). Two very refreshing Republicans.

Historically, certainly Henry VIII for kicking the Catholic Church out of England, but more recently former Israeli foreign minister, Abba Eban. The latter always stressed how easily soluble the Arab-Israeli conflict is. It becomes immediately apparent, thanks to Eban, how utterly rancorous the religious faiths in question are.
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Beej



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chester Nimitz: Admiral of the US Navy During WWII in the Pacific. Unfortunatley for the japanese this guy was on our side. He completely ratphucked the Japanese Navy.
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KirbyMagnus



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guiseppe Garibaldi

To quote A.J.P Taylor: "Garibaldi is the only wholly admirable figure in modern history."

The guy was a genuine revolutionary, he united a nation, defied a pope, served as a member of parliament, was offered the role as a general in the American civil war, he even spent a month dossing around in Newcastle. All this while wearing a sombrero.
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Temporary



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jan II Sobieski
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna
Yeah I am Polish but if it wasn't for the two of them. We all be speaking turkish and we would all be backward muslims.
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djsmnc



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like

Toyotomi Hideyoshi

Itō Hirobumi

Gongsun Du

Hong Taiji

and

John Rodgers
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wannago



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martin Luther (the German, not the American): At great personal danger he deliberately and directly took on the most powerful institution in his world at the time. He stood by his convictions and changed our world for the better.


George Washington - though not for his presidency or his military leadership. He refused the offer of being made a monarch of the newly independent country, thereby putting the needs of the country ahead of his own. This man truly cared for the new nation even when he could have personally gained very much by doing otherwise.


Dietrich Bonhoeffer - I think this man's writings have touched me more than any other. A guy that gave up his life to stand up against Hitler and the absolute insanity that was the Nazi Party. Reading his works through university probably did more to mature my faith than any other.


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stillnotking



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

George Washington. For not becoming king when he easily could have, and for his principled insistence on treating POWs well even when the other side was not. He had a commitment to the rule of law that is rarely seen among leaders of nations.

I will second the vote for Gandhi, though I cannot say I agreed with everything he wrote. Some of his writings about the Holocaust and the Nazis were insupportable IMO. In fairness, he did say that, as a pacifist, he had no standing to comment on war, and that if there were any such thing as a "just war", WWII would have been it.
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blaseblasphemener



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edison. He changed the world as we know it.
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