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Kuros
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 Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Obama's Attacks on McCain |
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Quotation contortions
| Obama wrote: |
| John McCain went on Television and said, "there has been great progress economically over the next 7 years." |
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| These are tough times, tough times, and nobody knows that more than American families. |
I don't know. I'm beginning to like Obama. He's shedding this crap 'reconciliation politics' and going straight for the jugular!
Hurrah for 100 more years of attack politics! |
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Is it my imagination, or does Obama constantly talk out of his arse?
Obama said last August he would call "the president of Canada" about a trade deal. Canada has a prime minister - not a president. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| The link is no longer available. (That's a big problem with YouTube.) |
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stillnotking
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Well, on balance, I'd have to say I prefer a candidate who thinks Canada has a president to one who thinks Al Qaeda are an Iranian-sponsored group. We're not fighting a ground war in Canada. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| but not one who says the US ought to conduct operations in Pakistan when the US was already doing such. |
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stillnotking
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| but not one who says the US ought to conduct operations in Pakistan when the US was already doing such. |
Interesting you should bring that up. What Obama said was that if the US had actionable intelligence of terrorist operations in Pakistan, and the Pakistani government refused to act, then the US should take it upon ourselves to cross the border and strike against the terrorists.
Is that a policy with which you disagree? Somehow I doubt it. I doubt McCain does either. I disagree with it, but that's because I'm well to Obama's left when it comes to questions of national sovereignty (and way, way, way to the left of most Americans).
So are you criticizing Obama for being overzealous in defense of American interests? I didn't think conservatives were even capable of making that argument, but I guess they can -- against a Democrat. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| but not one who says the US ought to conduct operations in Pakistan when the US was already doing such. |
Interesting you should bring that up. What Obama said was that if the US had actionable intelligence of terrorist operations in Pakistan, and the Pakistani government refused to act, then the US should take it upon ourselves to cross the border and strike against the terrorists.
Is that a policy with which you disagree? Somehow I doubt it. I doubt McCain does either. I disagree with it, but that's because I'm well to Obama's left when it comes to questions of national sovereignty (and way, way, way to the left of most Americans).
So are you criticizing Obama for being overzealous in defense of American interests? I didn't think conservatives were even capable of making that argument, but I guess they can -- against a Democrat. |
Wasn't the US already acting inside Pakistan.
What is the use of broadcasting it? Political points at the expense of national security.
Iran by the way supports anti US terrorists , they are behind attacks on US forces. So why did Obama vote against labeling the Iranian Republican guard as a terror group? Seems like Politics you know - making the Move On people happy. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Wasn't the US already acting inside Pakistan.
What is the use of broadcasting it? Political points at the expense of national security. |
I see. You want him to do it, just not to talk about it, a la Nixon's Operation Menu in Cambodia. Fair enough. I reiterate my disagreement with both of you, but yes, these are three distinct positions.
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| Iran by the way supports anti US terrorists , they are behind attacks on US forces. So why did Obama vote against labeling the Iranian Republican guard as a terror group? Seems like Politics you know - making the Move On people happy. |
Heh. It's all politics. Why was the vote taken in the first place? Doesn't that constitute "talking about it"?
You might be surprised at how much I agree with your criticisms of Democratic foreign policy. It is largely incoherent and reflects few guiding principles. Obviously the principles I want to see guiding it are different from the ones you want to see, but the incoherency is a fact, and is the major reason I have many times contemplated abandoning the Democrats altogether. A nicer, more competent imperialism is not what I want for America. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
Wasn't the US already acting inside Pakistan.
What is the use of broadcasting it? Political points at the expense of national security. |
I see. You want him to do it, just not to talk about it, a la Nixon's Operation Menu in Cambodia. Fair enough. I reiterate my disagreement with both of you, but yes, these are three distinct positions.
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| Iran by the way supports anti US terrorists , they are behind attacks on US forces. So why did Obama vote against labeling the Iranian Republican guard as a terror group? Seems like Politics you know - making the Move On people happy. |
Heh. It's all politics. Why was the vote taken in the first place? Doesn't that constitute "talking about it"?
You might be surprised at how much I agree with your criticisms of Democratic foreign policy. It is largely incoherent and reflects few guiding principles. Obviously the principles I want to see guiding it are different from the ones you want to see, but the incoherency is a fact, and is the major reason I have many times contemplated abandoning the Democrats altogether. A nicer, more competent imperialism is not what I want for America. |
In the Iran case it is okay to talk about it cause the Iranian government is hostile. Indeed Iran talks the talk all the time.
When the US talks about it in Pakistan all it does is to make everything more difficult of Musharif.
Moreover when the US declares the Iranianian revolutionary guard a terror group it not only lets them know that at some point they could be a target it also makes it more difficult for them to do international business.
The Iranian revolutionary guard is also involved in for profit activities. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
Is it my imagination, or does Obama constantly talk out of his arse?
Obama said last August he would call "the president of Canada" about a trade deal. Canada has a prime minister - not a president. |
I thought Canada had a queen.
Poor Obama, he would've been great on "Talking to Americans"  |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
| Justin Hale wrote: |
Is it my imagination, or does Obama constantly talk out of his arse?
Obama said last August he would call "the president of Canada" about a trade deal. Canada has a prime minister - not a president. |
I thought Canada had a queen.
Poor Obama, he would've been great on "Talking to Americans" |
Is that a real show in Canada/England? Or is it from a comedy sketch? |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| kabrams wrote: |
| Justin Hale wrote: |
Is it my imagination, or does Obama constantly talk out of his arse?
Obama said last August he would call "the president of Canada" about a trade deal. Canada has a prime minister - not a president. |
I thought Canada had a queen.
Poor Obama, he would've been great on "Talking to Americans" |
Is that a real show in Canada/England? Or is it from a comedy sketch? |
Canadian show, yes. Rick Mercer. |
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