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yawarakaijin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006

While I agree that police forces should do all they can to prevent people from actually physically blocking the torch WHAT THE HELL is up with these Chinese goon sqauds and even western polices forces snatching away Tibetan flags and signs of suppourt?

When did it suddenly become a crime to hold up a Tibetan flag in a western country? Sure the Chinese might not like it but tough shit. Seriously there is just so much that is wrong with the way this torch relay is going down. From trying to snatch the torch away from a handicapped athlete to allowing Chinese paramilitaries to "gaurd" the torch.

pugwall · Joined: 22 Oct 2006

I don't think you are getting this right. They arent thugs just men and all this vocabulary being bounded around about them being goons is just making things worse. I'm finding it hard to find evidence of what they have supposedly done about from a few people denouncing them to the level of serial killers for what seems like the crime of wearing a blue tracksuit. I would be happy for you to prove me wrong though.

Should they be there? No. Just part of this whole PR mess up that has been of benefit to nobdoy. The Chinese government has no idea of how to present itself to the West or make us sympathetic to there problems. Similarly we have made a total pigs ear of our relationship with the chinese and shown no level of cultural understanding or fairness.

luv2dance79 · Joined: 01 Jun 2007 Location: Suwon

Where are the anti-Chinese going to be on Sunday? I wanted to make some signs. Are the police going to be arresting people? I wouldn't try blocking the torch or anything. I doubt it would get too crazy here, but I'm very curious as to what the police are going to be doing.

pugwall · Joined: 22 Oct 2006

yawarakaijin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006

pugwall · Joined: 22 Oct 2006

Excellent. just as I thought, nobody ripped up a flag and its the same two xenophobic quotes from Konnie Huq and Sebastian Coe that have been passed around like an old slipper. That pretty much is a spade being called a spade. So they were wearing blue tracksuits, didnt speak english and sebastian coe didnt like the look of them and now they are super thugs. Come on people lets not lose perspective here.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/4963/

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

pugwall · Joined: 22 Oct 2006

mises · Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Location: retired

That post was as disorganized as it was unintelligible and wrong.

pugwall · Joined: 22 Oct 2006

yawarakaijin · Joined: 08 Aug 2006

For the record, the original post had nothing to do with the legitimacy or illegitimacy of China's rule over Tibet. In the past I have actually argued that the theocracy that used to rule Tibet was/is no better than the current Chinese rule.

My question was. What is up with Chinese officials and members of our own western/non chinese police forces ripping away signs of legitimate protest? Since when was it illegal to hold a tibetan flag up on any given street in the civilised world?

The Chinese are merely shooting themselves in the foot over the way they have handled this torch relay.

This "western media attack" on China line of thought is a bunch of bullocks. The only thing the western media has done is highlight the injustices that China imposes upon it's own people. It would have served the Chinese better to merely own up to it and not try and quash or bemoan legitimate protests in other countries. Seriously, who thought up the idea of having elite members of a paramilitary group run along side the torch?

Who in China thought it would be a good idea to allow for a scenario where chinese paramilitaries could possibly be forced to come into physical conflict with protesters in foreign countries? Brazen and politically foolish.

pugwall · Joined: 22 Oct 2006

pugwall · Joined: 22 Oct 2006

I agree with you that they shouldnt be there. Just more evidence that Beijing has no idea how to handle its PR with the rest of the world.

You just edited your post after I replied. Thats not cool.

China definitely has legitimacy in its 'Western media out to attack China' line as you put it.The media has generally been biased and unfair.

Typhoon · Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: Daejeon

That is crap. The western media has not been hard on China at all. They have recieved virtual free passes on Dafur and on trying to sell arms to Mugabe. Tibet is small potatoes compared to what China needs to be called on. The western media/world media should be more critical of China's actions. How could any nation justify selling arms to Mugabe? The fact that China was willing to do this tells a great deal about what they are all about. China's needs to be called on their brutal human rights abuses and their funding of brutal regimes around the world. The media has not been critical of China at all. Detailing "free Tibet" protests is their way of not being critical of China.

pugwall · Joined: 22 Oct 2006

I'm sorry Typhoon, I understand you are upset here but I am finding it hard to distinguish what you are saying from the Chinese saying that there has been a 50 years conspiracy by the CIA to bring down China. If we want to extol the virtues of our democracy and our free press then we must be ready to take on board and challenge any supposed bias otherwise our democracy is not what it claims to be. The Chinese do have fairly legitimate claims, the Western press have crucified the Chinese while writing nothing of the positives in the country. The main claim tho is that Tibetans rioted and attacked and killed Han innocents but the Western press just focused on the police crackdown afterwards. The only information given to us about the crackdown has been proven to be false. So it has been claimed that the Western press took the side of the Tibetans in a moment of crisis. Now reject this if you want after going through the evidence. To reject it out of hand as nothing but 'crap' puts our press on the same level as the Chinese news agency's.