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Tiger Beer
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 Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: Democratic Dream Ticket |
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Here is an interesting comment that eliminates any Obama/Clinton one (not that anyone I know of would actually think that was a dream ticket anyways):
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When Clinton first started talking publicly about this, she was seen as audacious -- a trailing candidate suggesting that the front-runner take the vice presidential nomination. Now there are some Democrats who now believe Clinton may be open to the possibility of running on a ticket as Obama's vice presidential nominee.
But the prospect that once thrilled many Democrats now appears less appealing to top strategists. That dream, wrote one Democrat, disappeared "somewhere along the road from Akron to Altoona." The two campaign staffs don't like one another at this point and by the time this ends, given the escalation of attacks the past few days, relations could be even worse. Mark Kornblau, who was traveling press secretary for John Edwards, called an Obama-Clinton ticket "a nightmare" for the party. Another Democrat said putting Clinton on an Obama ticket would rob the senator from Illinois of his "change" message. Others said any deal over a dream ticket would be complicated by the role of Bill Clinton.
"Obama and Clinton could still run together -- stranger things have happened in American politics," a fourth Democrat wrote. "But I'm not sure I would call that the 'dream ticket.' At this point the dream ticket would likely have the name Gore at the top."
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/21/AR2008042102805_3.html?sid=ST2008042103408 |
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stillnotking
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Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, if the dream ticket would have "Gore" at the top, why isn't Gore the frontrunner? I wonder if Mr. Top Democratic Strategist could answer that one.
There's never been any chance of a joint ticket. They can't stand each other, and besides, you can't spend months attacking your opponent as weak, unprepared, a liar, etc. etc. and then suddenly decide they'd make a great veep. Talk about a flip-flop... the Republican oppo ads could use all-Democratic sound bites. |
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Khenan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| Well, there are examples of same-party competators joining onto the same ticket in the past, but I agree that it's not likely. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
Hmm, if the dream ticket would have "Gore" at the top, why isn't Gore the frontrunner? I wonder if Mr. Top Democratic Strategist could answer that one.
There's never been any chance of a joint ticket. They can't stand each other, and besides, you can't spend months attacking your opponent as weak, unprepared, a liar, etc. etc. and then suddenly decide they'd make a great veep. Talk about a flip-flop... the Republican oppo ads could use all-Democratic sound bites. |
I agree with you, the chances of a dream ticket are slim to none. Given today's results, which are not too surprising, it's a matter of waiting until the super delegates who are undecided start choosing their candidate as well as the few primaries in May.
I've been saying for a couple of days now, I don't think PA will end it. It's more likely either Indiana or Oregon (I'm hoping for the latter) will be the straw that broke the camel's back. The other three states in May: West Virginia, North Carolina and Kentucky will probably go exactly as the polls are predicting. Given the fact Oregon is 4 weeks away, I think there is a good chance it ends on May 20th with a combination of primary and super delegates putting him over. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well it appears everyone can agree on something: it ain't gonna happen.
Barack might do best by installing her on the Supreme Court. |
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TECO
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| So, if the Democrats are going to meet in the summer to select a candidate, why do they run the primaries - how does that work? |
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stillnotking
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Well it appears everyone can agree on something: it ain't gonna happen.
Barack might do best by installing her on the Supreme Court. |
That would be worth it just to watch heads explode on the right. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Pelosi opens her fat yap.
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton shouldn't share the Democratic presidential ticket unless they really want to.
"No, I don't think it's a good idea," Pelosi said in an interview with CNN talk show host Larry King aired Thursday night. |
I don't know what it is about Pelosi, but everything she says irks me. |
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stillnotking
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know what it is about Pelosi, but everything she says irks me. |
Do you think she's wrong, though? |
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Czarjorge
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Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
Well it appears everyone can agree on something: it ain't gonna happen.
Barack might do best by installing her on the Supreme Court. |
Don't count the chickens. Remember that the primary contest between Bush Sr. and Reagan was pretty nasty but they ended up on the ticket together. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| So, if the Democrats are going to meet in the summer to select a candidate, why do they run the primaries - how does that work? |
Primaries are a relatively new way of choosing a candidate. Party bosses and conventions used to select the nominee. With the rising popularity of primaries, conventions lost one of their main functions. Now the convention just rubber stamps the results of the primaries. However, conventions still hammer out the party platform which are a statement of party philosophy, for what that's worth. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know what it is about Pelosi, but everything she says irks me. |
Do you think she's wrong, though? |
In the sense that Nancy Pelosi is first and foremost looking out for Nancy Pelosi, and in the sense that I don't like Nancy Pelosi, it irks me.
Do I think its wrong? Well, Nancy is trying to keep it from happening. By her coming out and saying what she's saying, she's wielding her political power to shape the reality.
My feeling is that she has more important affairs to deal with. I'd rather Dean deal with this than her. |
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TECO
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| So, if the Democrats are going to meet in the summer to select a candidate, why do they run the primaries - how does that work? |
Primaries are a relatively new way of choosing a candidate. Party bosses and conventions used to select the nominee. With the rising popularity of primaries, conventions lost one of their main functions. Now the convention just rubber stamps the results of the primaries. However, conventions still hammer out the party platform which are a statement of party philosophy, for what that's worth. |
Thanks. |
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stillnotking
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| stillnotking wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| I don't know what it is about Pelosi, but everything she says irks me. |
Do you think she's wrong, though? |
In the sense that Nancy Pelosi is first and foremost looking out for Nancy Pelosi, and in the sense that I don't like Nancy Pelosi, it irks me.
Do I think its wrong? Well, Nancy is trying to keep it from happening. By her coming out and saying what she's saying, she's wielding her political power to shape the reality.
My feeling is that she has more important affairs to deal with. I'd rather Dean deal with this than her. |
But surely the Speaker of the House, who is a super delegate, has a right to express her opinions on the nomination.
I guess I just don't see the problem. Sure, she's trying to influence the outcome of the race. So's Bill Clinton, but nobody tells him to shut up. (Well, nobody but Hillary.) |
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