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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Expelled "the movie" Reply with quote

http://www.expelledthemovie.com/vsp_trailer.php

Should be interesting to see how well this does.
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KirbyMagnus



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh no, not again!


http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/adam_rutherford/2008/04/devoid_of_intelligence.html
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fiveeagles



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Wj6_DLV0M&feature=related

Sure, why not.
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Rteacher



Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The theme about Darwin's evolution theory being a main source of inspiration for Hiter's genocidal behavior seems to have some merit.

Noted evolutionist and contemporary of Hitler, Sir Arthur Keith, stated this in one of his books:

"The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution. He has failed, not because of the theory of evolution, but because he has made three fatal blunders in its application."
Sir Arthur Keith, 'Evolution and Ethics', Putnam, New York, 1947, p. 230.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Keith

And this article makes a further case using quotes from Mein Kampf:
http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hit.htm
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BreakfastInBed



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We can't hold Darwin responsible for what lunatics do with his ideas. Religious texts and the ideas inspired by them in zealots and maniacs have caused manifold more misery in the world. Is it reasonable to blame, say, the Bible for the actions of a criminal because he hides behind it?

The overriding message of the Christian Bible is not 'persecute your neighbor,' yet that appears to be how it's interpreted by some. When the man who is believed to be the human incarnation of God explicitly commands you to love your neighbor, and you do the opposite in his name, how again, exactly, is that Jesus' fault?

Darwin didn't condone eugenics, yet we blame him for anyone who does. He modestly, as usual, writes in The Descent of Man that human beings attempting to control their own evolution strikes him as a bad idea. Why? Because when it comes to evolution, nature is infallible, man isn't.
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Pink Freud



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
The theme about Darwin's evolution theory being a main source of inspiration for Hiter's genocidal behavior seems to have some merit.

Noted evolutionist and contemporary of Hitler, Sir Arthur Keith, stated this in one of his books:

"The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution. He has failed, not because of the theory of evolution, but because he has made three fatal blunders in its application."
Sir Arthur Keith, 'Evolution and Ethics', Putnam, New York, 1947, p. 230.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Keith



And this article makes a further case using quotes from Mein Kampf:
http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hit.htm


No, the inspiration for Hitler's for genocidal behaviour came from his belief that he was destined to carry out the will of divine providence.
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
The theme about Darwin's evolution theory being a main source of inspiration for Hiter's genocidal behavior seems to have some merit.

Noted evolutionist and contemporary of Hitler, Sir Arthur Keith, stated this in one of his books:

"The German Fuhrer, as I have consistently maintained, is an evolutionist; he has consciously sought to make the practice of Germany conform to the theory of evolution. He has failed, not because of the theory of evolution, but because he has made three fatal blunders in its application."
Sir Arthur Keith, 'Evolution and Ethics', Putnam, New York, 1947, p. 230.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Keith

And this article makes a further case using quotes from Mein Kampf:
http://www.straight-talk.net/evolution/hit.htm


Right. Therefore we should ignore evolution. And since it inspired Hitler, it is false. Therefore, it's okay to ignore it.

As for religion, it is true. But even if it's not true, we should not ignore it since Mother Theresa was inspired by it.

It is okay to perform medical experiments on atheists. They did not evolve souls.

Expelled is brilliant. Free-thinkers oughtn't be constrained by the shakles of science. Science is the enemy of creative thinking. Well, I like science. But, only sometimes. Other times, I don't.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's flopped at the box office, critics have called it simple and stupid propaganda, and been exposed as a huge bag of lies.

http://www.expelledexposed.com/
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ED209



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:

Right. Therefore we should ignore evolution. And since it inspired Hitler, it is false. Therefore, it's okay to ignore it.


Can we stop teaching nuclear physics too? Nukes scare me and are bad.
In fact I don't believe in nuclear physics because of this FACT.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course nuclear power will ultimately be used beneficially (since materialistic leaders and masses are so spiritually advanced...)

And aside from scientists with vested interests, Expelled has gotten some very good reviews ...

I confess that when the producers of Ben Stein's new documentary "Expelled" called, offering me a private screening, I was less than excited.

It is a reality of PC liberalism: There is only one credible side to an issue, and any dissent is not only rejected, it is scorned. Global warming. Gay "rights." Abortion "rights." On these and so many other issues there is enlightenment, and then there is the Idiotic Other Side. PC liberalism's power centers are the news media, the entertainment industry and academia, and all are in the clutches of an unmistakable hypocrisy: Theirs is an ideology that preaches the freedom of thought and expression at every opportunity, yet practices absolute intolerance toward dissension.

I went into the screening bored. I came out of it stunned...

Ben Stein's extraordinary presentation documents how the worlds of science and academia not only crush debate on the origins of life, but also crush the careers of professors who dare to question the Darwinian hypothesis of evolution and natural selection.

Stein asks a simple question: What if the universe began with an intelligent designer, a designer named God? He assembles a stable of academics -- experts all -- who dared to question Darwinist assumptions and found themselves "expelled" from intellectual discourse as a result. They include evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg (sandbagged at the Smithsonian), biology professor Caroline Crocker (drummed out of George Mason University), and astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzalez (blackballed at Iowa State University).

That's disturbing enough, but what Stein does next is truly shocking. He allows the principal advocates of Darwinism to speak their minds. These are experts with national reputations, regular welcomed guests on network television and the like. But the public knows them only by their careful seven-second soundbites. Stein engages them in conversation. They speak their minds. They become sputtering ranters, openly championing their sheer hatred of religion.

PC liberalism has showered accolades on atheist author Richard Dawkins' best-selling book "The God Delusion." But when Stein suggests to Dawkins that he's been critical of the Old Testament God, Dawkins protests -- not that Stein is wrong, but that he's being too mild. He then reads from this jaw-dropping paragraph of his book: continued...

http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/BrentBozellIII/2008/04/18/ben_stein_vs_sputtering_atheists

In general, though, so-called sophisticated critics have tended to pan the film (rating it a "D" on average) while regular viewers have rated it in the "B" range ...

Even though it may be a very imperfect production, I'm hopeful that some essential truths may be conveyed to masses who have been conditioned to place inordinate faith in material science.
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uberscheisse



Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
inordinate faith in material science.


sounds like more of a good idea than believing in some blue guy who has a girlfriend with 100 arms, or some white-bearded guy who lives in the sky and has a tendency to speak through pedophiles.

isn't it a better idea to base leaps of faith upon stuff that can be seen and demonstrated (repeatedly) rather than stuff that is truth because some hallucinating syphilitic wrote it down on parchment a few thousand years ago?

no intelligent designer would design AIDS, schizophrenia or me not getting serviced daily by the mouth of a beautiful woman.

3 giant chinks in ID's armor.
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ryleeys



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.expelledexposed.com


An interesting read.
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Rteacher



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone has free will to either elevate or degrade his or her self (as most of you have aptly demonstrated... Razz )

Our being embodied in forms subject to all kinds of physical and mental problems, including old age and death, represents a diseased condition to begin with.

As minute parts of God we constitutionally have eternal forms full of bliss and knowledge in the unlimited spiritual universes, but we stubbornly think we can be happy in this temporary world full of misery.

The Vedic world view is that- like fish out of water - we'll never be happy trying to enjoy material things because we're essentially spirit not matter.

The more we become attached to our material bodies and possessions the more we'll suffer when forced to leave them (according to our karma.)

Science has certainly demonstrated that it can create things that can accelerate death (and artificially extend miserable lives) but it hasn't advanced in actually stopping the basic miseries of life.

The mortality rate is still 100%, and there are as many (or more) diseases than ever.

God doesn't owe us anything and, as the completely independent source of everything, He reciprocates with his innumerable atomic particles as they approach Him.

As parts of God, our duty is to act in such a way that God will want to see us by dint of our pure loving devotion - not our empirical knowledge.

No matter how puffed up scientists get with great technological achievements, their greatness amounts to practically nothing compared to the creative (and destructive) potencies of God.

When the moment of truth comes at death, their 'rational" denial and defiance of Supreme Will wll be good for absolutely nothing - but more suffering until their consciousness is purified.
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ryleeys



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
God doesn't owe us anything...


Excuse me, but why not? If a couple has a child, do they not owe that child protection and support? If god / the gods created life, then why don't they owe that life protection and support?
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rteacher wrote:
Of course nuclear power will ultimately be used beneficially (since materialistic leaders and masses are so spiritually advanced...)


One could say that about any science. Evolutionary theory has already been used for the benefit of humanity, for example understanding antibiotic resistance. Your sticking point with evolution is if true, your holy book is false.

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And aside from scientists with vested interests, Expelled has gotten some very good reviews ...


Well no. Check out Rotten Tomatoes. I'm not sure the movie reviewers there are scientists with vested interests. Geez. Why don't you comment on something you actually know about?

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It is a reality of PC liberalism: There is only one credible side to an issue, and any dissent is not only rejected, it is scorned.


So any side that has overwhelming evidence for it and does not make much room for views not back by evidence is PC liberalism? So I guess not allowing people to teach incest is right and proper in family & health class is PC liberalism?

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Global warming. Gay "rights." Abortion "rights."


Animal rights. Did you add that one? You don't believe homosexuals should have rights now? Bigot.

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They speak their minds. They become sputtering ranters, openly championing their sheer hatred of religion.


You think the fundies who made this film don't peach hate against your religion? Save fiveeagles, are hare krishnas going to heaven if they believe Krishna is god and don't accept jesus as their true savior?

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Even though it may be a very imperfect production, I'm hopeful that some essential truths may be conveyed to masses who have been conditioned to place inordinate faith in material science.


What essential truths are there in this film? It's non stop gross distortions.
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