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Easter Clark

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Aren't there some teachers on this board who have dated / married their students? Is that ethical? Of course not at a uni/high school etc, but what about in a hagwon / adult setting? |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
I get this from several girls at my middle school, and I don't really take it very seriously-- I just smile like I'm very flattered. It's really not necessary to act like the crush is threatening to you or embarrassing in any way... there's no reason to be a dick or hurt anyone.
If you say bluntly and publicly that you don't like them or that they don't like you, you're not treating them like human beings... I mean, they do have feelings, and they're probably really sensitive. Maybe they really do like you, and it would only crush them if you pull rank and treat them like they're not mature enough to know what they're doing. |
Yeah, I do the same thing. Going out of my way to avoid them or to be rude really isn't my thing. I can handle the "be my girlfriend! i love you!" comments and the silly dances/gifts without acting like a b*tch. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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I know of at least two teachers (don't know if they're on here) that have dated their adult students and married them. They weren't language exchanges, either. One of them was employed for one of the largest hagwon chains in Korea, and met his wife there.
I think that part of the draw of working at one of these places (for some people, although few readily admit it to just anyone) is that they provide a large pool of potential mates.
I'd bet my best pair of socks that a fair number of teachers from places like Pagoda have ended up marrying their students -- perhaps after they moved on to other jobs.
Just a guess.
If this bothers you, then think about the fact that two Korean teachers from my former high school job married their former high school students.
When it comes down to it, I don't think you, I, a hagwon boss, or anyone has the right to tell two adults they can't fall in love with each other. If you disagree, then ask yourself why? Are you concerned that a teacher has too much "power" over the student if both are adults? What if they start dating after the student is no longer the student? If it happens to adults after the student leaves/finishes the class, then I have absolutely ZERO moral issues with it.
What is different about the "power" a teacher has over an adult student than the power that a rich person has over a regular person? Is it not also unethical that a rich person might be able to persuade a woman to marry him because he is rich?
It's all in the mind, my friends. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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This happens because we seem exciting, plus some of us ( ) are not bad looking.
Gotta just act like it's not happening. Play it cool. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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This happens every year with some of my new students. Just use it to your advantage in terms of getting them interested in using English and don't allow yourself to get too informal with them. Usually the novelty wares off soon enough. |
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peachlily

Joined: 11 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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anyone here ever seen a korean drama called, "Loveholic?" |
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excitinghead

Joined: 18 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: |
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I married one of my students at an adult hagwon. I was 24 and she was 21 when we first met there, and we got married four years later. Naturally, I'll be dammed if I can see anything wrong with it, although any single person that doesn't admit that the availability of potential partners is a perk of the job is probably lying. In the small town I was in in 2000, my hagwon was the only one for adults, and there were always many applications from other expats in town to fill the places of teachers leaving.
But the fact that we were both adults, that she didn't depend on me for grades in any sense, and that this wasn't a school, are all important distinctions. We technically become adults at 18 for instance, but that doesn't mean that we suddenly are really, and so I'm adamantly against high school teachers having relationships with students, even though it may technically be legal in Korea to do so.
Says a lot about Korea that relationships like that are not only not avoided in films and dramas, but they're common and invariably positively portrayed. Sigh.
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cdninkorea

Joined: 27 Jan 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
Damn, good memory. I was working at a hagwon (eikaiwa) and had two girls who decided to let me know by showing me that they had no underwear on. I complained, but the boss wouldn't change them around because they liked me too much. Still, they probably would have done it to any guy teacher, so I don't think it's the same here, as there was no crush that I could see. Just exhibitionism, or being Japanese  |
That's quite a story. A friend said this happened to him at his university, in Korea, but I've never heard of it from high school students.
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The bus thing is pretty normal. About 40% of high school girls (this from the Japanese newspaper too) in Tokyo have slept with a guy for money... |
Do you have a link to an online newspaper? Is that kind of thing legal there? |
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excitinghead

Joined: 18 Jul 2005
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hauwande
Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Location: gongju
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Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Student Crushes On Teachers |
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R. S. Refugee wrote: |
Ignore it. Don't acknowledge it in any way. It will soon go away. For example, if a student holds up a sign in class saying, "I love you, Refugee," I ignore it. If a student says, "I love you, R.S." I pretend not to hear it. Completely ignore it. It will soon go away. This approach works the best, I think. It's always worked quickly with 100% success for me in any event. Simple. Uncomplicated. Successful. |
yes.
agree 1000% |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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ESL Milk "Everyday wrote: |
I get this from several girls at my middle school, and I don't really take it very seriously-- I just smile like I'm very flattered. It's really not necessary to act like the crush is threatening to you or embarrassing in any way... there's no reason to be a dick or hurt anyone.
If you say bluntly and publicly that you don't like them or that they don't like you, you're not treating them like human beings... I mean, they do have feelings, and they're probably really sensitive. Maybe they really do like you, and it would only crush them if you pull rank and treat them like they're not mature enough to know what they're doing. |
I agree with this way of doing it.
I find that student crushes should be dealt with in the same manner as a difficult or badly behaved student. It needs to be dealt with professionally and with tact. I think ignoring it won't really do much good. Always maintain the teacher/student distance and there'll be no problems. Carry on with the job and it'll pass, don't fan the flames at all, but have the empathy to understand what it might be like to be a teenager. Or better still, cast your mind back to when you were that age. These things pass. Being a foreign teacher is very much a new thing for them they'll get used to it in time. |
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butlerian

Joined: 04 Sep 2006 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Dome Vans wrote: |
I agree with this way of doing it.
I find that student crushes should be dealt with in the same manner as a difficult or badly behaved student. It needs to be dealt with professionally and with tact. I think ignoring it won't really do much good. Always maintain the teacher/student distance and there'll be no problems. Carry on with the job and it'll pass, don't fan the flames at all, but have the empathy to understand what it might be like to be a teenager. Or better still, cast your mind back to when you were that age. These things pass. Being a foreign teacher is very much a new thing for them they'll get used to it in time. |
The Dome is the man. Spot on. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: |
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I think there should be some distinction between elementary/kindie crushes and middle school/high school/university student crushes.
Crushes from young kids are natural. Yes, even from kids of the opposite sex. They aren't thinking in a sexual way. I agree with the advice about treating it professionally. I don't ignore the student, I just don't give them reason to keep on with the crush once they got used to my teaching style.
When I taught high school I had a couple girls have a crush on me. It was sort of awkward, but it happens more to the young Korean teachers (both male and female). What worked for me was just treating them like every other student in the class. Eventually they should get the hint. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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I usually tell the girls who declare their undying love for me that my wife will be crazy jealous and terrible things will happen to me. I tell the boys who talk that silly talk something else altogether. |
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Toju

Joined: 06 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
I work at a university. This happens at least four times a session. Only one turned into a minor stalker, but got the hint later. |
What was his name...?  |
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