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fakeplastiktree



Joined: 15 Oct 2007
Location: Northeast Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Korean education system Reply with quote

I've only been in Korea for two months now. I cannot get over how seemingly cruel the education system is here. I'm not talking specifically about public education but rather education, in general. I work at a hagwon. My poor students go to school six to seven days a week, at 2-5 different academies. On Friday nights, they do homework. On Saturdays, they study. The director of my school tried to rope me into working on Buddha's Birthday. Why? They're going to give the students a "special treat": a two-hour test on a national holiday, a week after the students write their midterms at Korean school. I've been told to give my students oodles of homework but I just can't bring myself to do it. I feel sorry for them! It seems like their entire childhood is spent in the classroom.
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tommy77



Joined: 26 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I know how you feel. Obviously there is not much we can do about the students overall workload. All I do is to try and make my lessons as fun as possible and give little or no homework. I tend to make my tests really easy and we practice for them in advance.

I don't think Koreans appreciate the concept of diminishing returns. It's impossible to study efficiently for 10 or more hours a day.
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Gamecock



Joined: 26 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just wait until summer vacation and you see how much fun the kids have then!!!
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't feel too bad for them. Many aren't really studying that hard. I also think it's better than the alternative. A bunch of teenage kids bored and hanging around the streets/PC bang all night and weekend.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Don't feel too bad for them. Many aren't really studying that hard. I also think it's better than the alternative. A bunch of teenage kids bored and hanging around the streets/PC bang all night and weekend.


The number one killer of Koreans aged 15-24 is suicide. Apparently some people don't see it as a better alternative.
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotticus wrote:
The number one killer of Koreans aged 15-24 is suicide. Apparently some people don't see it as a better alternative.


You sure "studying" is the only factor in this? It's just a convenient excuse to cover other things up.
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flummuxt



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes I feel like Korea's educational system is turning out mindless automatons.

Other times I feel like it is a gilded baby sitting service to keep their kids out of the (working) parents' hair.

Either way, I don't think many of them know how to think creatively or think critically. They seem to just be shoving stuff into their heads.
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tommy77



Joined: 26 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First I have been told Korea has the highest suicide rate in Asia for young people. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Its clear that the quality of Korean education is horrific. Students are only asked to regurgitate what is supposedly learnt and not to apply it in any meaningful way.
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flummuxt



Joined: 15 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't go so far as to say it is "horrific."

And is attending a hagwon after school really necessary to do well? It seems to me that if a student applied himself, he could learn the material on his own, without having extra tutoring. Surely some kids do this?

But what I would really like to know is whether there are any public or private schools in Korea that take a different approach, what in the States would be called "alternative schools?"

Are there schools in Korea that use other approaches, and that encourage kids to ask questions, think critically, and pursue subjects and avenues they find of special interest?
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fakeplastiktree



Joined: 15 Oct 2007
Location: Northeast Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flummuxt wrote:
I wouldn't go so far as to say it is "horrific."

And is attending a hagwon after school really necessary to do well? It seems to me that if a student applied himself, he could learn the material on his own, without having extra tutoring. Surely some kids do this?

But what I would really like to know is whether there are any public or private schools in Korea that take a different approach, what in the States would be called "alternative schools?"

Are there schools in Korea that use other approaches, and that encourage kids to ask questions, think critically, and pursue subjects and avenues they find of special interest?

Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. I hope there are schools like that. I suspect something like that wouldn't be very popular with Korean parents, though. I think parents sending their kids to hagwons has a lot to do with public status rather than the actual education.
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anyway



Joined: 22 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Scotticus wrote:
The number one killer of Koreans aged 15-24 is suicide. Apparently some people don't see it as a better alternative.


You sure "studying" is the only factor in this? It's just a convenient excuse to cover other things up.


Please explain these 'other things'.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broken families, abusive parents, schoolyard bullying, untreated mental illness, etc.
I imagine excessive study is pretty low on the list of things that push Korean young people over the edge.
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teachteach



Joined: 26 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are all wrong. The system is not cruel. They are actually lucky. They have their whole life, 2-18 years old, catered to them. Teachers cater to them, the buses cater to them, the hagwon teachers cater to them, parents cater to them.
When I was young, I really enjoyed studying, and it would have been nice to have a place to go after school and study some more.
When I was growing up in Africa before I moved to Canada, (not South Africa) there were many kids who couldn't get through elementary school because they had to pay school fees that their parents could make. Any one of them would have jumped through any hoop to have the chance that Korean kids have to study study and study some more.
If I could change one thing about the system it would be to make it more efficient, so that they can get double their education in the 15 hours without really 'feeling' it.
Unfortunally, sometimes I feel like I am alone in my views because I was one of the few Uni grads who actually did any work in Uni.
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flummuxt



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

teachteach

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When I was young, I really enjoyed studying, and it would have been nice to have a place to go after school and study some more.


So did I.

I went to the library.

Or I went home.

Believe it or not, some people actually study at home. Just turn off the TV. And open a book. Or turn on the computer - but not for computer games. There's a heck of a lot of things a kid or adult can learn via a computer these days. Korea built this fast internet system, and now they don't want it being used in the classroom.

Glance inside any Korean apartment. See any with the TV turned off? With kids inside? Hey, Mom and Dad, how about turning off your TV and helping your kids with your homework? Now there's a radical new idea in Korean education.

Most towns in Korea do not have public libraries. If they wanted to, they could make the middle school libraries into public libraries with after hours public entrances, but they don't. Most public schools and libraries are open for public use after hours in America for concerts, lectures, adult classes, etc. Public libraries often have extra rooms, and even small auditoriums, for these purposes.

The Korean towns and smaller cities, and certainly the villages, do not have after hours public meeting places, libraries, or places for the kids to study, except perhaps a small shopping mall. They barely even have one sports playing field, and nothing besides postage stamp parks. I hardly call this "catering to kids." America has much more parks, fields and recreational facilities.

Here in Korea I live in what in the States would be called a small city. There is no library. No public sports facility. Just one school soccer field for two schools. And some tiny parks with basketball hoops next to the apartments. It is a disgrace. What there is in the way of an open field is filled with rubble and is used to burn garbage, including plastics.

If I were a kid in Korea, I would feel short changed. The kids' idea of fun is rollerblading on the sidewalk, skateboarding on the street, and buying ice cream at a store.

The kids in Korea are going to turn into lard when they grow up. It is already happening.

And when all studying is forced studying during childhood, the last thing Koreans are going to do when they grow up is continue learning for fun.

I suspect that's one reason the doctors are so pathetically bad here. They figure they have finished college, so they don't have to study anymore.

Remember how it felt to graduate from high school? Well, multiply that a thousand fold for when Koreans graduate from college.

Being an adult in Korea means not having to read nasty old books.

The Korean system may not be cruel, but it sure kills the joy of learning. And the joy of childhood. Play in childhood is fundamental to creativity as an adult. Korean children's imagination is so stifled that many must resort to plagiarism when assigned something in college requiring originality.

As to catered hagwons, I see plenty of kids riding public buses for half an hour to an hour each way to go to a hagwon in the big city. That's about two hours commuting time after school to attend a hagwon.

Who the heck is teaching at all these thousands and thousands of hagwons? Are they so brilliant that they are smarter, better teachers than in public schools? Are they certified Korean teachers who attended a teacher's college?
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are you talking about? Most towns here do have public libraries. Maybe you live in one of the really small villages, then they might have to travel to the main town in their county to get access to a public library.
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