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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| These days I'm thinking the sky's the limit. It's only a matter of time until storage will no longer be an issue -everything will be stored on the internet rendering hard drives obsolete or at least unnecessary- and 128GB of RAM will be commonplace. |
yeah relying on some company to back up your data rather than doing it yourself and not look at files that you want to be private - good strategy. |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: |
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And I will never need any more than 640KB.
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I will get more storage when it goes solid state. Magnetic storage is dead. |
Nope. I think your wrong.. Holographic storage will be the future. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| I will get more storage when it goes solid state. Magnetic storage is dead. |
A bold statement.
You can get solid state drives already, and I think they'll be popular in high end ultra portables by the end of the year. However, i don't see magnetic going away any time in the next few years unless something changes drastically. Solid state write times are still too slow, and they're going to need a couple years to be anywhere near competitive price-wise. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:53 am Post subject: |
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| I will get more storage when it goes solid state. Magnetic storage is dead. |
A bold statement.
You can get solid state drives already, and I think they'll be popular in high end ultra portables by the end of the year. However, i don't see magnetic going away any time in the next few years unless something changes drastically. Solid state write times are still too slow, and they're going to need a couple years to be anywhere near competitive price-wise. |
Just like you can still buy IDE HDDs? Or AGP graphics? DDR1 memory?
Production hasn't even begun to ramp up. The inherent problems with HDDs are becoming impassable. Bigger platters, more platters, perpendicular...all workarounds for problems.
Anyhow, solid state drives are not going to replace magnetic storage right away. They will be used in laptops and low-power situations with desktops. Hibernate, sleep...whatever you want to call it. It will provide a basis for the next step away from magnetic storage in the initial phases of computing.
| Temporary wrote: |
| Nope. I think your wrong.. Holographic storage will be the future. |
Near or far? And actually, it's not a "think" thing. Speculate. Is it ever rewritable yet?  |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Location: Your computer screen
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
| Just like you can still buy IDE HDDs? Or AGP graphics? DDR1 memory? |
Well you can, but they sure aren't common if you're buying new. (Though perhaps that was the point?)
As for the rest, I agree.
The limits of magnetic storage have already been hit and are just being stretched. Far worse than the size issue though, is the speed issue. We barely even need SATA. We've seen remarkably little speed increase. We should be up to several hundred MB/s continuous read/write by now, and we only JUST broke 100 with these new velociraptors.
And adaptation in the manner you said is exactly why magnetic drives will still be around for at least the next couple years. |
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agoodmouse
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I backup all my data with a notebook. I use a pencil to record every bit of information onto a piece of paper. If my laptop crashes, I simply open up a hex editor and start typing to recover all my programs, photographs, and downloaded movies. Just like an old fashioned architect who has to completely redraw his blueprints after a devastating fire. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Your analogy is flawed. When you restore your notebook you have something to work from. The architect does not. 
I still liked your post. Reminded me of this:
Alt text:Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want. |
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
Location: The Middle Kingdom
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I upload photos to some internet space I rented. Before coming here I dropped a 160Gb drive of at my mothers. I bought a 320 with me, and a 500 while I was here. After my first contract finished I sent the 320 to my mothers. I have yet to replace it, but I will. I prefer two external drives, and back up the second every couple of weeks or months. I keep it hidden so if somebody cleans my computer gear out, they will not find the second drive.
I lost all my photos ages ago, and never want that to happen again. I also have lots of music that took a fair bit of effort to get correctly tagged. I dont want to do that again.
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Temporary wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
I will get more storage when it goes solid state. Magnetic storage is dead. |
Nope. I think your wrong.. Holographic storage will be the future. |
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| Things are looking up in the SSD race: TDK has just announced what they are calling the smallest Micro SATA SSD drives. The HS1 series will measure just 1.8 inches with 16, 32, and 64GB capacities and will use single-level cell NAND flash memory. Read / write speeds are spinner-like 100MBps and 50MBps respectively and are expected to be energy efficient at 20mA. Security wise, we're looking at 128-bit AES encryption with 7-bit error correction. They won't come cheap, though: prices are expected to run $900, $1,500, and $2,000 for the three capacities. |
http://www.engadget.com/ |
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ds_fan
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| whats the average lifespan of an external hd, im a crazy movies downloader and am making the most of my time with super fast internet stocking up for when i return home with loads of movies |
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orosee
Joined: 07 Mar 2008
Location: Hannam-dong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I think the "average" life span does not matter as much. Say you have 10 500 GB drives, and lose 2 of them within a year, the other 8 surviving for at least 5 years. You calculate the average which will be more than 1 year, but you have still lost an entire TB of data.
If I had the money right now I would invest in a RAID solution (say RAID-5) instead of the 10 500 GB drives I keep as my home theatre base right now. No way am I going to make a backup of that!
Fortunately essential data - photos, email, documents - rarely amounts to more than a few GB and can be backed up frequently (although people including myself hardly bother often enough).
I can also feel with the poster who has tagged his music collection; I have around 750 GB of MP3 files which took an awful time to tag and rename. At least 2/3 of this is backed up on DVD as well (and that's a lot of DVD - storage space becoming a problem as well as retrieval).
The good news is that after a period of grief one often realises that the loss is not that fundamental. Business data loss is much more critical than entertainment data loss.
Anybody knows a good place to go shopping for RAID configurations (say 8 to 16 drives in a box)? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| whats the average lifespan of an external hd, im a crazy movies downloader and am making the most of my time with super fast internet stocking up for when i return home with loads of movies |
Depends on how many times you toss it into your bag and bang it on the ground.
An external HDD is just an internal HDD in a hard case with external plugs and MAYBE an external power supply.
The industry standard is 10,000 hours mean time to failure.
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ds_fan
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| iv heard that they fail after like a year average, im shitting it, got so much stuff saved, loosing it would cause me to murder a random person. thing is, how come an old memory pen, or 6 year old laptop, which essentially are just hard drives always seem to last a long time, whereas people say external hds are more likely to go bang |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| iv heard that they fail after like a year average, im shitting it, got so much stuff saved, loosing it would cause me to murder a random person. thing is, how come an old memory pen, or 6 year old laptop, which essentially are just hard drives always seem to last a long time, whereas people say external hds are more likely to go bang |
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| Depends on how many times you toss it into your bag and bang it on the ground. |
Externals that get dragged around get banged up a LOT MORE than one sitting in a laptop or desktop case. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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HDD's (internal and external.....doesn't matter. They're the same thing) are getting better all the time. Much more reliable than just 6 years ago.
I'd say that a modern HDD which hasn't been dropped and/or overheated should last years.
I would be disappointed if one of mine crashed in under 5 years.
What kind of warranty do the main manufacturers give these days?
The 10,000 hours thing would be bad news for me. If it's an accurate real-world estimate (I don't think it is with the modern models). I run both my PC's 24/7, 365 days. That would give me just over a year of reliable HDD use!!!  No way. |
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