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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
It doesn't make you more creative it just turns you into a bum |
Again, stop imposing your failures on others. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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i've been on both sides of the argument. The stance I have now is that I think pretty much all of them are bad. Alcohol, dope, smack and crack. They all *beep* up lives. |
No, they may of f-ucked up your life, bt cetainly not mine.
Just cause you couldn't handle your addictions, it doesn't mean you should impose your failures on me.
I know I sound harsh, but I occasionally drink and smoked a hell of a lot of weed when I was back in Canada. I considered myself a pretty good person (like I am now) and maintained an A average over my latst two years of University. I was high practially every evening during that time (although I usually only need a toke or three).
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...and now you teach in Korea and ramble about your glory days on a web forum! |
huh? |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.safety-council.org/info/traffic/impaired/pot-04.html
A whole article (at least it's tone) seems undermined by this quote:
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| Surprisingly, there seems to be little evidence that drivers who have used cannabis on its own are more likely to cause crashes than drug-free drivers. However, this does not mean it�s safe to mix cannabis with driving. |
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/01/10/cannabis-driving.htmlAnd this article too. What's the deal with undermining the subject of your title completely:
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There are problems with Bedard's study, said pharmacology professor David Cook of the University of Alberta. The study only found the presence of cannabis, not evidence of intoxication � a missing link in the research.
"First of all, at what level of intoxication do we have to become concerned?" asked Cook.
Part of the problem is marijuana affects different people in different ways. Some can tolerate a lot with little effect, while others become severely intoxicated on only a little. Traces of cannabis can stay in the body for more than a week, well after the high has worn off.
The question of what dose of cannabis starts to pose a crash risk, such as the 0.08 blood alcohol limit, remains to be answered, the team acknowledged.
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More reading if you want.
http://www.soop.ca/potfacts/safetodrive.html
As for lazy stoners, I have "stoner" friends who work in high finance, mortage brokers, work as teachers, painters, artists, peace officers (and police officers), several recording artists and semi-pro athletes.
I think that when you all use the definition of "stoner" as someone who smokes 4 or 5 times a day every day, you take out virtually the whole pool of possibilities. I'd wager no more than 5% of pot smokers would fit that catagory. That may happen on the weekend but they never do they do that during the week.
Of course, find me someone who consumes ANYTHING 4 or 5 times a day every day and I'll show you someone who has some other fairly desperate issues. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| Fishead soup wrote: |
It doesn't make you more creative it just turns you into a bum |
Again, stop imposing your failures on others. |
If you don't think it should be illegal that's fine. Just don't go around on a public forum and express your views on it. This site is often visited by members of the Korean authority. It won't look good on any of us if you keep starting threads about how you wrongly think sparking up a joint is less harmful than booze. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| khyber wrote: |
http://www.safety-council.org/info/traffic/impaired/pot-04.html
A whole article (at least it's tone) seems undermined by this quote:
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| Surprisingly, there seems to be little evidence that drivers who have used cannabis on its own are more likely to cause crashes than drug-free drivers. However, this does not mean it�s safe to mix cannabis with driving. |
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/01/10/cannabis-driving.htmlAnd this article too. What's the deal with undermining the subject of your title completely:
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There are problems with Bedard's study, said pharmacology professor David Cook of the University of Alberta. The study only found the presence of cannabis, not evidence of intoxication � a missing link in the research.
"First of all, at what level of intoxication do we have to become concerned?" asked Cook.
Part of the problem is marijuana affects different people in different ways. Some can tolerate a lot with little effect, while others become severely intoxicated on only a little. Traces of cannabis can stay in the body for more than a week, well after the high has worn off.
The question of what dose of cannabis starts to pose a crash risk, such as the 0.08 blood alcohol limit, remains to be answered, the team acknowledged.
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More reading if you want.
http://www.soop.ca/potfacts/safetodrive.html
As for lazy stoners, I have "stoner" friends who work in high finance, mortage brokers, work as teachers, painters, artists, peace officers (and police officers), several recording artists and semi-pro athletes.
I think that when you all use the definition of "stoner" as someone who smokes 4 or 5 times a day every day, you take out virtually the whole pool of possibilities. I'd wager no more than 5% of pot smokers would fit that catagory. That may happen on the weekend but they never do they do that during the week.
Of course, find me someone who consumes ANYTHING 4 or 5 times a day every day and I'll show you someone who has some other fairly desperate issues. |
Lazy stoners here are some good places to find them. Any University I met a guy who was doing his Masters. Every summer he collected welfare. Never paid a cent towards his own education. Go to Goa in India
and talk to some of them. You find out that the ones who have been there more than six months talk complete gibberish. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Compunction Junction
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Lazy stoners here are some good places to find them. Any University I met a guy who was doing his Masters. Every summer he collected welfare. Never paid a cent towards his own education. Go to Goa in India and talk to some of them. You find out that the ones who have been there more than six months talk complete gibberish. |
1) I'm not saying they don't exist. I'm saying that not everyone who smokes pot IS a lazy stoner, nor are you bound to become a lazy stoner if you start smokin'.
Leaf through the "Freakiest Waygook" Thread here. In Goa you'll find stoners, in Korea, you'll find alcoholics. |
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murr
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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IMO, there are few things as debilitating as alcohol. And it''s legal!?
OK, so heroin is worse. And crack. But alcohol... it pretty much sits near the bottom of the pile of sad substances. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| murr wrote: |
IMO, there are few things as debilitating as alcohol. And it''s legal!?
OK, so heroin is worse. And crack. But alcohol... it pretty much sits near the bottom of the pile of sad substances. |
As a teacher in a foreign country it is much better to consume the legal, over the illegal substance, and ignore the hippy opinion telling you to do otherwise. Haven't you watched the news lately. With every arrest the situation is becoming worse for all of us.
As a teacher you also have a responsibility to show respect for your host countries laws. What example do you show children when you insist on sparking up regardless of what the law is. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
| What example do you show children when you insist on sparking up regardless of what the law is. |
how on earth would the children ever know? |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Fishead soup wrote: |
| What example do you show children when you insist on sparking up regardless of what the law is. |
how on earth would the children ever know? |
He has a point there though.
They don't know, much like they didn't know about Christopher Paul Neil.
They don't expect their teachers to be law breakers. |
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out of context
Joined: 08 Jan 2006
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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i believe that fishhead decried pot not because he was a hypocrite but because he just isn't that informed about it. or, perhaps he is like many and has some form of prejudice about it because it's a scary illegal drug.
people tend to grow out of that, give the guy a break. |
I'm not sure with this guy. His prejudice, as with many anti-pot zealot types, seems to be more with the type of person he perceives as smoking. He conjures up the image of the hateful hippie, which is all too typical, and resists any attempts at reasoning or considering the issue more deeply because any victory against prohibition would be a victory for hippies, and he can't have that. It's not so much a lack of information about it, but a rejection of any information that contradicts his position as by definition coming from untrustworthy sources.
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| What you pro-dope smokers always fail to miss is that dope is ILLEGAL here in Korea. Doesn't matter what your opinion is or what the scientific facts show. Here it's illegal and if you do smoke here you are a fool. |
This one is a perennial feature of marijuana discussion threads, and it always make me wonder if anyone has actually met someone who doesn't recognize that marijuana is illegal in Korea. Everybody knows it, and some people choose to take their chances. And it's not going to stop just because people call them fools.
Since this is the "It's just a plant" thread rather than the "still more marijuana smokers arrested in Korea" thread, I'm just curious about what the people who support decriminalization think is the most practical route to ending prohibition. There tends to be either a lot of hand-wringing ("It's no use, the right wing has too much power") or complacency ("I don't have any problem scoring, and that's all that matters"), and I'm just wondering how people envision an actual exit strategy for the "War on Drugs" transpiring. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| What example do you show children when you insist on sparking up regardless of what the law is. |
how on earth would the children ever know? |
He has a point there though.
They don't know, much like they didn't know about Christopher Paul Neil.
They don't expect their teachers to be law breakers. |
sexual predators and potheads have very little in common.
a victimless crime committed in your apartment, and a crime where you're actually interacting with your students by diddling them?
ridiculous comparison. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| murr wrote: |
IMO, there are few things as debilitating as alcohol. And it''s legal!?
OK, so heroin is worse. And crack. But alcohol... it pretty much sits near the bottom of the pile of sad substances. |
Heroin is more addictive than alcohol and it's much easier to take a fatal overdose, but alcohol is far more damaging to the organs and tissue than heroin if addicted. Heroin addicts will have far healthier livers than Fishead Soup. Like I said above, diacetylmorphine hydorchloride (heroin) has a vital medical role in many countries. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| murr wrote: |
IMO, there are few things as debilitating as alcohol. And it''s legal!?
OK, so heroin is worse. And crack. But alcohol... it pretty much sits near the bottom of the pile of sad substances. |
Heroin is more addictive than alcohol and it's much easier to take a fatal overdose, but alcohol is far more damaging to the organs and tissue than heroin if addicted. Heroin addicts will have far healthier livers than Fishead Soup. Like I said above, diacetylmorphine hydorchloride (heroin) has a vital medical role in many countries. |
Who would you rather have teach your kids Syd Vicous(Heroin addict)
Or Dyan Thomas(alcoholic) |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ one of the most retarded responses i've seen in a while... |
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