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bucheon bum
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| mises wrote: |
No it isn't. The aggressive move towards sharia in Europe is merely a new and less violent (the Europeans are surrendering due to the threat of violence) form of manifest destiny.
How about Thailand? The Sudan is significantly more Muslim today than it was in 1900 (and getting more so with each passing day). The Philippines has a Muslim separatist movement, as does China. It is all the same. Grab some land, convert or kill or subjugate the Kafir and then expand to new land.
Nothing has changed. Average Muslims may not explicitly support this, but they sure don't protest when their coreligionists behead a group of Buddhist teachers in Thailand.
The real moderates are despised by the masses. Irshad Manji is one such example. |
1. You know that Darfur is Muslim vs. Muslim right? And that southern Sudan is now at peace with Khartoum? So how exactly is sudan becoming "more muslim" now?
2. The insurgency in Thailand was not a religious matter when it started a few years ago.
Do you even know "average" muslims?
Way to be ultra paranoid.
edited: a typo
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
No it isn't. The aggressive move towards sharia in Europe is merely a new and less violent (the Europeans are surrendering due to the threat of violence) form of manifest destiny.
How about Thailand? The Sudan is significantly more Muslim today than it was in 1900 (and getting more so with each passing day). The Philippines has a Muslim separatist movement, as does China. It is all the same. Grab some land, convert or kill or subjugate the Kafir and then expand to new land.
Nothing has changed. Average Muslims may not explicitly support this, but they sure don't protest when their coreligionists behead a group of Buddhist teachers in Thailand.
The real moderates are despised by the masses. Irshad Manji is one such example. |
1. You know that Darfur is Muslim vs. Muslim right? And that southern Sudan is now at peace with Khartoum? So how exactly is sudan becoming "more muslim now?
2. The insurgency in Thailand was not a religious matter when it started a few yars ago.
Do you even know "average" muslims?
Way to be ultra paranoid. |
You are making some good points that made. Anyway, it is hard to have a debate when people go out of say the Middle East, because then you can't easily have a proper discussion or perspective. It feeds into that idea that since they all carry the label Muslim their ethnicities are irrelevant. It doesn't work for Christians or Muslims.
The Thai example is an interesting one. The Muslims in Thailand are not ethnically Thai. They are Malay like Malaysians. They were part of a Sultanate that was forcibly annexed. So, the guilty party was first the ethnic Thai government. For a long time, there was peace, because a certain ruler tried to have liaisons, work with the ethnic Malays, see how they could cooperate together, and then Thaksin dismantled all of that and wanted to centralize things. That upset many of the Malays who felt disrespected, and so that explains part of why there is violence. It is partially the fault of the Thai Government. Why not read the facts? |
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