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sconner



Joined: 26 Jan 2006
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: This is crazy, or making me crazy Reply with quote

So, I finish my contract in eight weeks. This is my second job in a hagwon and I can now say I will never work in a hagwon again. I have a PS job lined up, but now that doesn't look like it will happen. Let me start off by saying this has been a year from hell. I can't say it's worse or better than my first hagwon, it's just different. If you have experienced this, please share. What happens is they do al these sleazy things, and then say it's culture differences. But everytime you're the one who comes up short. And then once you get to the point where you just want to quit, they do something nice, Then you think, "Oh, I can make it until the end of my contract", and when you really think about it, the nice thing they did is something they should have done anyway, as in humanizing the situation. I'm sorry for the rant. I need to get them to sign a letter of release for my new visa so I don't have to go home. I'm limited on time becasue of school and need to start July 1. They just wopn't sign it, which doesn't even make any sense because then they will have to pay for my airfare. My boss has noted everything I've done wrong this year, like everytime I was late for work, and she gave me a written warning for hygiene the month I didn't have hot water and stopped showering until they fixed it. It's been a long bumpy road that has left me depressed in a way I can't even say. What can I do to make them sign it? I just want to move on and leave this bad experience behind me. If anyone has any advice I could really use it right about now. I can't help but feel they're doing this out of spite, and I wonder why. I came over here, have worked for them for almost a year, and have gone by the book, or the contract when they have not and have made some really unreasonable demands. You would think the apostilling and documents I need from the U.S. would be more of a problem than this one piece of paper.
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Re: This is crazy, or making me crazy Reply with quote

sconner wrote:
It has been a long bumpy road that has left me depressed in a way I can't even say.


Depression is inverted anger. Consider the source of your anger. It's those scumbag administrators of the farking school! Then you'll have some left for the next job. Fighting!


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Stormy



Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: Here & there

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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she gave me a written warning for hygiene


A written warning? Like what, she was gonna call your mother?
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why can you be bothered working here then? Just go back to the US and get a job there. Do you think teaching ESL is a good career? Rolling Eyes
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mountainous



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help but feel they're doing this out of spite, and I wonder why.

ECC Kumho acted in a similar manner, out of pure spite.

I can relate to your experience, though I am going to encourage you to be more optimistic.

I just want to move on and leave this bad experience behind me.

Do it. Start by taking some actions like looking for a new job, perhaps in a different country. If you want to stay in Korea, speak to someone at the public school about your situation and speak to immigration. You might not get what you want, you may just get what you need....keep your head up, there is something better for you around the corner. Good Luck.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're going to a public school right? Get SMOE, EPIK or GEPIK(they have bigger balls than your average teacher) to call your hagwon and demand the LOR.

Do you really need the LOR?
A public school can wait a couple of days.
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Kashmir



Joined: 17 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Re: This is crazy, or making me crazy Reply with quote

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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a difficult situation but maybe going home or somewhere to recharge after the contract is finished would be good.

Is there a way to get all the documents you need without going home, and just do a visa run to Japan and bypass needing a LOR?

Are they confusing a letter of recommendation with a letter of release? It sounds like they were listing things they didn't like about you because they didn't want to give you a reference. It might help to explain that the letter of release is just a document saying that you no longer work there, not that you were a good employee.
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Unposter



Joined: 04 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I can sympathize. My experience has been that there is a lot of psychological abuse and manipulation in Korean Hakwon management.

But, I will say this. You are going to have to be stronger. You are going to have to find a way to get that LOR so you don't have to go through getting a new visa.

Some options are:

1) Talk to the PS
2) Talk to Immigration
3) Negotiate with your boss
4) Stop teaching until you get it
5) Give up on the LOR and just get a new visa - It can't be any worse than dealing with a slimy boss and chalk it up as a learning experience.

Good Luck!
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diablo3



Joined: 11 Sep 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are finishing in 8 weeks and starting in July, then you don't need a LOR because you would have completed your contract by then.
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Lekker



Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mountainous wrote:
I can't help but feel they're doing this out of spite, and I wonder why.

ECC Kumho acted in a similar manner, out of pure spite.

I can relate to your experience, though I am going to encourage you to be more optimistic.

I just want to move on and leave this bad experience behind me.

Do it. Start by taking some actions like looking for a new job, perhaps in a different country. If you want to stay in Korea, speak to someone at the public school about your situation and speak to immigration. You might not get what you want, you may just get what you need....keep your head up, there is something better for you around the corner. Good Luck.


Second that. I went through a similar situation with my hagwon, it was a lot different, but I considered leaving and never returning. My boss was put in his place by the tax office on money laundering and I am out of that shit hole of a school in a waaaay better environment. Still, not the greatest job, but the freedom I have is so much more worth being here. Ride it out, if they still refuse to give you a LOR, go to the labor board.
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

diablo3 wrote:
If you are finishing in 8 weeks and starting in July, then you don't need a LOR because you would have completed your contract by then.


I second this bit, no LOR needed.

THEN, collect all your pay slips, check and make sure that they've paid everything they should have done. If not start filing reports with pension, tax . They'll probably try and stiff you with the severance, then you have your case against them. Be ready to fight back.

THEN get a PS job and enjoy Korea!
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sconner



Joined: 26 Jan 2006
Location: South Carolina

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dome Vans wrote:
diablo3 wrote:
If you are finishing in 8 weeks and starting in July, then you don't need a LOR because you would have completed your contract by then.


I second this bit, no LOR needed.

THEN, collect all your pay slips, check and make sure that they've paid everything they should have done. If not start filing reports with pension, tax . They'll probably try and stiff you with the severance, then you have your case against them. Be ready to fight back.

THEN get a PS job and enjoy Korea!

Thanks everyone for the encouragement. Unfortunately, if I want to stay here and not go home I do need that LOR for immigration even though my contract is ending. It doesn't make any sense, but it is what it is. It has something to do with the new immigration laws. With the hot water situation, I stopped showering for a week because I was taking cold showers in the middle of the winter and I got sick. I thought that would make a point, and it did, they fixed my water heater. At the same time they were mad about it and that's where the written warning came in. In my contract it says three written warnings and you're fired. Unfortunately, it doesn't say anything about hot water for me. I have to say that I feel used up, and I have two months to go. What is it with hagwons? They don't follow the contract and they try and nickel and dime you every chance they can. Sometimes it's just so silly.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are exactly right. If you get a letter of release, you don't need to leave the country to get your new VISA. I have done this between all my jobs. So, I have never had to go anywhere but Mokdong for my VISA, except for my original VISA.
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poet13



Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"she gave me a written warning for hygiene the month I didn't have hot water and stopped showering until they fixed it. "

I remembering giving someone that exact advice almost a year ago. Was it you sconner?
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