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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Well I've already pointed out how boring hell would get over time, and that's even assuming they threw every form of sadistic, humiliating, degrading torture at you that there is, and inflicted as much pure and sustained pain at you as possible. It wouldn't be long before you'd simply go numb, lose all meaning and be bored into complete insanity (no longer human even).
But heaven would be even worse imo. You'd probably be just as bored, but much sooner, and minus the luxury of dissenting. I mean what would you possibly do in heaven for an eternity? Just sit there, basking in goodness? After a few centuries of that of I'd prolly want to gouge my own eyes out or hurl myself into a pit of fire just to spice things up a bit... I'm not even kidding.
When I think about how excruciatingly boring and meaningless either heaven or hell would be, almost I rejoice at the prospect of one day ceasing to exist. What freedom this finite life entails! |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Saw this on the JREF today from 'godtube.com' (oh yes). Kinda reminds me how retarded the idea of hell is and how more importantly it invalidates an idea of heaven. Aside from the horrendous script and painful voice acting the video has a 'very funny if it wasn't that certain people believed it' element.
a Letter from Hell |
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Kashmir
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| What freedom this finite life entails! |
Sounds good.
oh, btw... that movie is disgusting. |
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Kashmir
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
| Think about it. Would you really want to go to a party where those who didn't get invited were taken outside and shot? These people would include many of your family and friends. |
I've thought about it.
Yes.
Ok, just a couple more posts.... |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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And don't give me the crapola about him being bound by justice, blah blah blah. He's the immutable and all-powerful God of the universe who has shackled himself to his own rules. |
He's not bound to justice, he is bound to being who he is. I don't see what is "crapola" about this pretty obvious "limitation" on God at all. A Holy God cannot sin. He cannot allow sin into his presence. That is the exact reason Christ had to die for the sins of man. God loves people but cannot accept sin. He made a way for people to have their sins destroyed without destroying the people who committed the sins. If God could just excuse sin with a wink or turn a blind eye to it, he wouldn't have sent Christ to bear the penalty for sin.
As for heaven being boring, I think heaven would be boring for the same sort of people who think being married to one person for life would be boring. If one thinks love is just a feeling that comes and goes, then heaven might not be the best place for such a person. Earlier on this board, Bertrand Russel was propped up as an example of a highly moral atheist. From Wiki:
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He soon fell in love with the puritanical, high-minded Alys, who was a graduate of Bryn Mawr College near Philadelphia, and, contrary to his grandmother's wishes, he married her on 13 December 1894. Their marriage began to fall apart in 1901 when it occurred to Russell, while he was out on his bicycle, that he no longer loved her. She asked him if he loved her and he replied that he didn't. Russell also disliked Alys's mother, finding her controlling and cruel. It was to be a hollow shell of a marriage and they finally divorced in 1921, after a lengthy period of separation.[13] During this period, Russell had passionate (and often simultaneous) affairs with a number of women, including Lady Ottoline Morrell and the actress Lady Constance Malleson.[14]
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| Russell traveled to Russia... Russell's lover Dora Black also visited Russia...On the couple's return to England on 26 August 1921, Dora was six months pregnant, and Russell arranged a hasty divorce from Alys, marrying Dora six days after the divorce was finalised, on 27 September 1921 |
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| Russell's marriage to Dora grew increasingly tenuous, and it reached a breaking point over her having two children with an American journalist, Griffin Barry.[24] They separated in 1932 and finally divorced. On 18 January 1936, Russell married his third wife, an Oxford undergraduate named Patricia ("Peter") Spence, who had been his children's governess since the summer of 1930 |
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| Russell married his fourth wife, Edith Finch, soon after the divorce, on December 15, 1952 |
One cannot help but see heaven as boring if one has not learned that committed love is greater than the sum of all lesser pleasures. I think old Berty would find heaven to be boring too. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
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| Gamecock wrote: |
I've always loved how Jesus blabbers on about how much better and compassionate his heavenly father is than any earthly father...then goes on to describe hell and eternal punishment. No earthly father is even close to that remotely cruel. If your son were a murderer, you could probably sentence him to death...but ETERNAL suffering, forever and ever??? Yeah, God is love.
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Do you have a citation for where Jesus does this, so we can analyze the statement? |
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fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. |
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The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth
God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire. |
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| But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. |
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| And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal |
Peace-loving faith though, eh? |
Seems like you might be able to indict one gospel out of four. Even still, everlasting punishment doesn't seem so bad when one takes free will and uses it to drown a dog in a lake, right? |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Flakfizer wrote: |
| As for heaven being boring, I think heaven would be boring for the same sort of people who think being married to one person for life would be boring |
True in my case. Marriage is a Judeo-Christian conspiracy against male sexuality and the transcendent superman. Islamic polygamy paints a far truer picture.
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| Seems like you might be able to indict one gospel out of four. Even still, everlasting punishment doesn't seem so bad when one takes free will and uses it to drown a dog in a lake, right? |
The dog deserved to die. The owners needed to know what happens when you have absolutely no consideration for others. Admittedly I should've used a more painless method than drowning, but others and their noise pollution and their pets' noise pollution drives me to total distraction. I'm otherwise a lover of life and all living things.
Anyway, to business. You asked for an instance of Jesus running his mouth about Hell and damnation and several were provided. Plenty more where that came from. Jesus was a vast improvement on the OT and a character the satanic atheist must admire since he refused to rely on scripture for morality; a scripture that calls for the stoning to death of disobedient children. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Kashmir wrote: |
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| Think about it. Would you really want to go to a party where those who didn't get invited were taken outside and shot? These people would include many of your family and friends. |
I've thought about it.
Yes.
Ok, just a couple more posts.... |
You're invited.
Please bring a bottle. |
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jetrash
Joined: 02 Jun 2007
Location: the united steaks
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| Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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That was the most disgusting video I have ever seen.
MAKES ME WANT TO GO OUT AND ROUND UP ANY CHRISTIANS WHO ARE SCARING THE POOR, THE YOUNG ,THE WEAK, AND THE UNEDUCATED WITH THIS SICK CRAP.
So this christian sick scare tactic is counter productive..the video generates hate and loathing for christians..thereis no place for them in a civilized world.I feel sorry for the less bright members of american youth,subjected to this utter tripe,and end up following christianity.
Religion is dying. Such feeble attempts to brainwash young people will only result in its swifter demise. Knowledge and fact will guide us through the 21st century. Religion belongs in the past - where it shall soon reside forever. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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As for heaven being boring, I think heaven would be boring for the same sort of people who think being married to one person for life would be boring. If one thinks love is just a feeling that comes and goes, then heaven might not be the best place for such a person. |
Strawman (and a very unlikely one at that).
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| One cannot help but see heaven as boring if one has not learned that committed love is greater than the sum of all lesser pleasures. I think old Berty would find heaven to be boring too. |
What you're suggesting makes no sense. We are not just talking about the course of a mere lifetime, but a goddam eternity. You can't even conceive of how long that would be, and it's all the better (else you wouldn't be human). There could not be anything more meaningless than eternal life. Eternal life is equivalent to not living at all, for there is nothing whatsoever at stake. Life by its very definition requires death. |
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Kashmir
Joined: 17 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
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| Think about it. Would you really want to go to a party where those who didn't get invited were taken outside and shot? These people would include many of your family and friends. |
I've thought about it.
Yes.
Ok, just a couple more posts.... |
You're invited.
Please bring a bottle. |
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pastis
Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Lucifer really is a the ideal symbol for all that is good, natural, and life-affirming - the antithesis of all that wretched Christianity stands for - all that which they call 'sin'. This is mainly because Lucifer is actually old Dionysus in disguise; every poet's favorite Greek god, the patron of wine, frenzied and most sublime intoxication; inspired freedom; raw, unbridled sexual power and vitality; fornication, glorious excess, destruction, and yet above all creativity and the great affirming and yea-saying of life despite its inherent cruelty and the tragedy that is human existence.
Lucifer/Dionysus has always stood for the instinctual, healthy and strong virtues of life that the wretched, spiteful Judeo-Christian masses in their most unnatural weakness cower from. Profoundly resenting their own craven, debilitated state, that swinish Christian flock yet bands together in great numbers, bolstering its vulgar, coercive influence over the individual. Led by their loathsome nay-saying priests they have long considered an overabundance of individual strength and indulgence-in-life to be 'sinful'. In their sick, vindictive minds the prospect of any man attaining, and overcoming even his highest potential is an impious notion to be trampled on, despised and slandered. The noble symbol of Dionysus, the satyr, was thus transposed into the 'evil' horned/cleft-hoofed one we know today and imprisoned in that rancorous Christian hell they have conceived...
Christians have punished Lucifer just as they punish life itself -- beware then fellow 'yea-sayers', for they would fain punish you as well. |
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