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Omkara
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 Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: Child Abuse by Christians |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDoQaCDMtuo&feature=related
Call this a troll. Call it whatever. But I hold that this is a serious social issue. These children are being abused. This is exactly why we need serious and sustained criticism of religion. These kinds of outgrowths need to be countered. |
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Omkara
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crash bang
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| while it's plenty stupid, it's hardly abuse |
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Omkara
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Omkara
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| crash bang wrote: |
| while it's plenty stupid, it's hardly abuse |
What, then, is abuse? Is the mind of a child not sacred? |
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crash bang
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| no, it's not sacred. nothing is sacred |
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crash bang
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| and if you want to have a serious and sustained criticism of religion, then tone down the hyperbole. abuse is beating or molesting a kid, or berating him/her til they cant take it anymore. these kids will just grow up believing stupid stuff |
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Omkara
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Once beating your kids was not child abuse.
No, this is not hyperbole. I've known people who've had to deal with the baggage of such an upbringing. They have heavy issues to sort out. I've seen adults break down into tears because of parents' fanatical religious upbringing. In particular, the doctrine of Hell. . .
A professor once told me of his long experience in university. He'd seen many cases of such children growing up, coming to university, having the foundations of their faith shattered, committing suicide.
Granted, not all christians raise their kids this way. That's why I used the word "outgrowth." How can we protect kids from having to grow up believing "stupid stuff"?
You see the tears on the kids' faces? All memory is strongly augmented by emotion. These kids are subjected to this at a formative age. What they get at this age will condition their minds for the whole of their lives. In addition, their minds will be conditioned such that there is always a sting of guilt and anxiety infused into the whole of their adult life exerience.
If we denied a child an education, would this not be called "abuse?" Then, so much more that upbringing which emotionally scars the kid so that the kid cannot freely inquire into the nature of reality.
No, not hyperbole. Abuse. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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No, this is not hyperbole. I've known people who've had to deal with the baggage of such an upbringing. They have heavy issues to sort out. I've seen adults break down into tears because of parents' fanatical religious upbringing. In particular, the doctrine of Hell. . .
A professor once told me of his long experience in university. He'd seen many cases of such children growing up, coming to university, having the foundations of their faith shattered, committing suicide.
Granted, not all christians raise their kids this way. That's why I used the word "outgrowth." How can we protect kids from having to grow up believing "stupid stuff"? |
I'm not sure if you've spent any time around children who have been REALLY abused, because those are some stories.
A friend of mine worked at a half way home where abused children would live and where they were taught (for little more than an hour a day; all they could handle).
I can assure you; there is a HUGE difference between religious indoctrination and beating the crap outta your kid.
Hell, I teach at a school with students who are in (and who should be in) Behaviour Disorder classrooms. You want stories of REAL abuse?
Abused children are not children who "commit suicide"; that is not the ultimate suffering of the hurt child. You have to find the socially maladjusted; the ones who truly have no idea what is socially acceptable; the ones who cannot distinguish right from wrong in a way that is appropriate for his/her culture.
I don't think it's fair to say that Christians (or this "outgrowth" you refer to it as) are the largest perpetrators of child abuse. They may seem like a nice, easy, identifiable target but I can assure you that there are FAR more dangerous parents out there than some dude wearing a short sleaved button shirt, a red tie and reading from the Bible.
Indoctrination, in and of itself, is not abusive. It may be negligent but it can't be abusive. Having a kid living in a crack den while his mother fucks strangers and he pees wherever he may be sitting because that's what the house guests do, THAT is negligence that is abuse.
Fulfilling all of a child's basic human needs and then not providing them with the choice of more than one ethos is not abuse. |
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PGF
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Only stupid children believe stupid stuff and because stupidity is genetic these kids are pretty much hopeless, lost causes because they have dumb ass parents.
Besides, where would we be without stupid people? Capitalism would not work. We need these hopelessly dumb kids to grow up and be hopelessly dumb adults. |
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Omkara
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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Good point about capitalism!!
I know that there is a scale of abuse. That a case of abuse is not as extreme as the crack-house parent does not mean that the indoctrination is not abuse.
Is mal-nurisment neglect or abuse? Letting you kids over-eat to the point of becoming obese and diabetic abuse or neglect?
Can we call this neglect? I don't this the word fits. The parents are actively destroying these children's minds. That is abuse. Raising them so that they will have a stultified faculty of choice, that is abuse. It radically limits their human potential. |
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Omkara
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crash bang
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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with 8 out of the first 12 posts being yours, omkara, i'd say YOU'RE the one with an agenda. youre coming off more as rabid than objective
we saw 5 or 6 minutes of a bunch of kids crying. it doesnt take much to make kids that age cry. so if it's abuse, it's very low-level abuse. it's more like brain-washing, but whatever. but at least they're (hopefully) not being brainwashed to be sex slaves or whatever
all you saw was a buncha kids crying. thats hardly basis for calling it abuse |
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uberscheisse
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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korean children's crying threshold is super low. they cry if you breathe on them wrong. they cry if they misspell "puppy" and you point it out.
therefore i'd guess that a little bit of this weird cult shit that omkara has posted would make the average k-kid weep... and if you told them hell existed they might shit their minds.
i wonder if they teach stuff about having compassion for the poor and downtrodden at all in korean churches... |
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