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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: Homeland Security Highschool to open...WTF! |
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Charter school will focus on homeland security
Thursday, April 3, 2008 3:36 PM EDT
The first high school dedicated to preparing students for the front lines in the Nation's homeland security has gone from theory to planning in Wilmington.
The Project Manager for the Delaware Academy for Public Safety and Security, New Castle Attorney Thomas Little, signed a contract with Innovative Schools, a professional firm which will coordinate the mechanics of preparing the school for its eventual opening.
The process to find and fund a site for as many as six-hundred young men and women in Wilmington's inner city is underway.
Curriculum choices for students, who are to be called Cadets, range from SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) through prison guard, water rescue, paramedic, fireman, professional demolition and emergency response operator, according to a Board statement.
The first Principal of the institution is to be Dr. Fred Fitzgerald. A retired Captain in the Marine Corps, Fitzgerald teaches English, speech and debate at New Castle Christian Academy. Fitzgerald is also a former executive for Coca Cola in Jacksonville, Florida, and a former Director of Operations for the Port of Wilmington.
On the academic side of the new charter school, parents will agree to attend a monthly meeting at the campus with faculty for progress conferences.
To meet personal curriculum goals, all physically capable cadets are to attend a daily after-school exercise program. In addition, two hours of after-school sports or homeland security training will be available for cadet volunteers. |
http://www.ledgerdelaware.com/articles/2008/05/01/news/news.24.txt
Are you joking me? A Homeland Security school? I have a sick feeling in my stomach. I wonder if the Germans felt the same with their youth? Perhaps the Russians?
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Giving SWAT training to 15 year-olds... hmmmm.... I think the Korea system of locking kids in school 12 hours a day so they can't get into trouble or pregnant is probably safer. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddycakes wrote: |
| Giving SWAT training to 15 year-olds... hmmmm.... I think the Korea system of locking kids in school 12 hours a day so they can't get into trouble or pregnant is probably safer. |
How about courses in demolition, or prison guard?
That is going to be one graduating class no one will want to F with. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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College-prep military academy with a sexy name, no doubt designed to win students away from more traditional college-prep military academies. No more no less. Been around in various countries for centuries and then some. Relax.
Or write your Congressman and ask him to close it. Makes no difference to me. All elitists think alike and will never be dissuaded one way or the other, Loose_ends.
By the way, you are looking to present this on this message board as if it represented something analogous to the Hitler Youth or something similar in totalitarian Soviet Russia, correct?
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| Are you [kidding] me? A Homeland Security school? I have a sick feeling in my stomach. I wonder if the Germans felt the same... |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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How about courses in demolition, or prison guard? |
They could have Lyndie England come in as a guest speaker... |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
College-prep military academy with a sexy name, no doubt designed to win students away from more traditional college-prep military academies. No more no less. Been around in various countries for centuries and then some. Relax.
Or write your Congressman and ask him to close it. Makes no difference to me. All elitists think alike and will never be dissuaded one way or the other, Loose_ends.
By the way, you are looking to present this on this message board as if it represented something analogous to the Hitler Youth or something similar in totalitarian Soviet Russia, correct?
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| Are you [kidding] me? A Homeland Security school? I have a sick feeling in my stomach. I wonder if the Germans felt the same... |
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Military Prep Schools
http://www.militaryschoolalternatives.com/military-prep-schools.html
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Besides academics and extracurricular activities, college-prep military academies train students in leadership and character within a military model. Students may be organized into companies, battalions and platoons. Some operate under a demerit system for small rule infractions but maintain a zero-tolerance policy for cheating, alcohol, drugs, or theft. Students wear uniforms and participate in military traditions such as keeping their rooms clean, taking care of their uniforms and shoes, passing inspections, participating in formations and marching tours, handling weapons, and learning military decorum. They are required to remain courteous at all times and to obey their superior officers. The emphasis is on proper decorum as well as physical fitness. |
Homeland Security School
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| Curriculum choices for students, who are to be called Cadets, range from SWAT (Special Weapons and Tactics) through prison guard, water rescue, paramedic, fireman, professional demolition and emergency response operator, according to a Board statement. |
I see a difference here. Don't you? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Same thing. Just sexed up to sell to post-9/11 military careerists and their children.
I realize you cannot distinguish from "the W. Bush Administration exploited the opportunities 9/11 offered re: Iraq" vs. "the W. Bush Administration perpetrated 9/11," so I have no confidence that you will get over your inability/unwillingness to distinguish this college-prep military academy and the Hitler Youth.
In any case, long live muddled thinking and hyperbole. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| In any case, long live muddled thinking and hyperbole. |
You accuse me of muddled thinking, as if it were fact. Provide any kind of support for such a claim and I might take you seriously.
Lets take a look at your muddled thinking shall we, in a more constructive way.
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Same thing. Just sexed up to sell to post-9/11 military careerists and their children.
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You claim the Homeland Security school is the same as a military prep school, just with "sexed up" names to attract a post-911 client.
Lets consider what this statement means.
1. It isn't teaching SWAT, prison guard, and demolition techniques. It is all a lie.
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2. Military prep schools are teaching SWAT, prison guard, and demolition techniques.
if you claim #1, then you claim the school is false advertising
if you claim #2, then you claim military prep schools have been teaching SWAT, prison guard and demolition techniques.
So which is it Gopher? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's great! First, get rid of the foreigners. Then the non-whites and Jews! |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Which is it? Very simple. Drawing analogies between Nazi Germany's compulsory, state-sponsored, corporatist Hitler Youth and the all-voluntary Delaware Academy and its curriculum is muddled thinking.
Also, I never said "just with sexed up names"; I said "just sexed up." That means sexed up curriculum to better satisfy perceived post-9/11 needs, for you and anyone else unable/unwilling to give me anything but a hostile reading.
I can probably forgive you if you plead ignorance. But I doubt you will. American educators and especially college-prep military academies and universities sometimes respond to perceived government and/or military needs -- and for multiple reasons, not the least of which is that it attracts federal funding in area studies, critical languages, and other programs. During the Cold War, for example, first Sovietology and then "National Security Studies" appeared as majors. Now "Homeland Security" also appears as a major in some places, or at least some programs now exist, I believe. It comes as no surprise that a college-prep military academy now tailors its education to "Homeland Security."
Finally, Loose_ends, you can answer a question for me: why do people on the left feel so compelled to constantly make analogies to the Nazis anytime the express their disapproval of this or that? Can you not disagree without citing the Nazis? |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:55 am Post subject: |
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@Gopher- have you forgotten Jonas Goldberg?
At any rate, the last people who should be in education is Homeland Stupidity.
These are the same people who put US MARSHALS on the terrorist watch list, thus leaving several flights without their scheduled air marshal.
These are the same people who can't find real bombs at the airport but force a woman to remove nipple piercings (while ignoring the belly button piercing).
These are the same people who want to use religious people to help enforce martial law.
I can go on and on.
http://www.homelandstupidity.us/category/homeland-security/
And now they want to educate children? Seems to me that they are the ones in need of an education. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| why do people on the left feel so compelled to constantly make analogies to the Nazis |
Let me put words in Loose_ends' mouth: Probably for the same reason that people on the right categorize every idea they disagree with as socialism and conflate that with communism. |
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loose_ends
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
Which is it? Very simple. Drawing analogies between Nazi Germany's compulsory, state-sponsored, corporatist Hitler Youth and the all-voluntary Delaware Academy and its curriculum is muddled thinking.
Also, I never said "just with sexed up names"; I said "just sexed up." That means sexed up curriculum to better satisfy perceived post-9/11 needs, for you and anyone else unable/unwilling to give me anything but a hostile reading.
I can probably forgive you if you plead ignorance. But I doubt you will. American educators and especially college-prep military academies and universities sometimes respond to perceived government and/or military needs -- and for multiple reasons, not the least of which is that it attracts federal funding in area studies, critical languages, and other programs. During the Cold War, for example, first Sovietology and then "National Security Studies" appeared as majors. Now "Homeland Security" also appears as a major in some places, or at least some programs now exist, I believe. It comes as no surprise that a college-prep military academy now tailors its education to "Homeland Security."
Finally, Loose_ends, you can answer a question for me: why do people on the left feel so compelled to constantly make analogies to the Nazis anytime the express their disapproval of this or that? Can you not disagree without citing the Nazis? |
Sorry for misquoting you.
You said.
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| Same thing. Just sexed up to sell to post-9/11 military careerists and their children. |
So it is the same in that they are both offering alternative education, but different in that one is offering SWAT, demolition, and prison training while the other is not.
Thanks for clearing that up.
And to answer your question, I do it mostly for attention (to the matter). |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| I do it mostly for attention (to the matter). |
I thought as much. It betrays your insecurity in your position on its own merits. Better to introduce symbols and fears that everyone will understand from Hitler -- it is the same as Hitler Youth! -- than simply discuss this college-prep military academy on its own merits.
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| why do people on the left feel so compelled to constantly make analogies to the Nazis. |
Let me put words in Loose_ends' mouth: Probably for the same reason that people on the right categorize every idea they disagree with as socialism and conflate that with communism. |
Wannago and FDR notwithstanding, can you cite any other examples of that on this board? On the other hand, threads and examples linking the American govt with fascism and/or Nazi Germany seem endless. Take the Naomi Wolf op-ed, for one. Here she is again, employing scare tactics to sell her politics.
I actually pity the people who believe that America is a closed, non-democratic, fascist dictatorship bullied around by the state's stormtroopers and mercenaries, Ya-ta Boy. I hope you are not one of them. Because they sound little different than the paranoid and extremist UN occupation/dictatorship, Timothy-McVeigh-supporting, black helicopters people from the 1990s, when Clinton and not W. Bush was Antichrist.
If you truly believe this nonsense, that the American govt has fallen to irredeemably evil status, then you ought to get up off your ass, get out of the PC Bang, and move against it. I for one could not live in such a state as the one the Hitler-like Great Satan people allege America has become.
And why would you even participate in and/or follow the American elections if you believed they were just a sham? Do you believe that "they" would permit you to elect a hero who might bring down the fascists? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| why do people on the left feel so compelled to constantly make analogies to the Nazis |
Let me put words in Loose_ends' mouth: Probably for the same reason that people on the right categorize every idea they disagree with as socialism and conflate that with communism. |
Its almost like you WANT people to push your buttons. |
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