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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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I'm not sure if you've spent any time around children who have been REALLY abused, because those are some stories.
A friend of mine worked at a half way home where abused children would live and where they were taught (for little more than an hour a day; all they could handle).
I can assure you; there is a HUGE difference between religious indoctrination and beating the crap outta your kid.
Hell, I teach at a school with students who are in (and who should be in) Behaviour Disorder classrooms. You want stories of REAL abuse?
Abused children are not children who "commit suicide"; that is not the ultimate suffering of the hurt child. You have to find the socially maladjusted; the ones who truly have no idea what is socially acceptable; the ones who cannot distinguish right from wrong in a way that is appropriate for his/her culture.
I don't think it's fair to say that Christians (or this "outgrowth" you refer to it as) are the largest perpetrators of child abuse. They may seem like a nice, easy, identifiable target but I can assure you that there are FAR more dangerous parents out there than some dude wearing a short sleaved button shirt, a red tie and reading from the Bible.
Indoctrination, in and of itself, is not abusive. It may be negligent but it can't be abusive. Having a kid living in a crack den while his mother fucks strangers and he pees wherever he may be sitting because that's what the house guests do, THAT is negligence that is abuse.
Fulfilling all of a child's basic human needs and then not providing them with the choice of more than one ethos is not abuse. |
While I agree with you, khyber, that there are gradients of abuse, I tend to side with Omkara. Just because there are forms of abuse that seem more extreme than religious indoctrination, doesn't mean that indoctrination is not extemely abusive. A suicide bomber who blows themselves up on a bus full of people is the victim of indoctrination, as are the other passengers on the bus. I think suicide bombings are abusive.
It goes further than that though. Even children who 'just' go to Christian bible camps to pray, sing and chant are, in a way, abused. Telling a kid that they're going to a really unpleasant place if they do not think in a certain manner is an abusive thing to do. Even more so if they're told that their best friend, because their friend doesn't believe in Jesus, is going to hell no matter what.
Besides, just because the local crack *beep* really abuses her kids doesn't make it OK for others to abuse their kids just a little bit. We should try and provide all children with the opportunity to grow up without fear. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Well, since we are all part of God but need to revive our dormant God-consciousness to become self-realized, one of the worst forms of child abuse would be to indoctrinate them to be atheists, filling their impressionable minds with blind doubt about any spiritual path or religion.
While I think that the Christian conception of God is off - and it tends to promote fanaticism - there are still plenty of sincere, good Christians, and someday the original merciful faith inspired by Jesus will be restored (though it may take a Second Coming...)
This article has some good insights about fanaticism:
http://acaryadeva-nectar.pbwiki.com/Bhagavad-gita10-2Cardiff |
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Thiuda
Joined: 14 Mar 2006
Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Well, since we are all part of God but need to revive our dormant God-consciousness to become self-realized, one of the worst forms of child abuse would be to indoctrinate them to be atheists, filling their impressionable minds with blind doubt about any spiritual path or religion.
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Atheists do not indoctrinate children with 'spiritual doubt'. Atheism can be very spiritual and many atheists consider themselves to be spiritual people. Just because they don't believe in faeries doesn't mean they don't appreciate a sunset. Doubt is not blind, it leads to a curiosity about what's out there. Religion is blind, as it has no need to search for alternate answers. |
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crash bang
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Location: gwangju
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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"blind doubt"
that's cute |
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Omkara
Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA
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