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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: Obama wins North Carolina; Clinton wins Indiana |
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How much longer is this thing going to go?
Clinton pledged to keep on keepin' on. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: |
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Gen. Wes Clark, a strong Clinton supporter, has already called on Clinton to leave the race.
Her campaign is bloodied, broke, flailing around, and on the map.
I saw the results in between class. Pissing off the black electorate came back to haunt her BIG TIME in IN and NC. In IN alone, Blacks broke for Obama 92 to 8.
The Rush Limbaugh effect might have won her the state's popularity vote but it only gave her 2 delegates. With Obama's +15 margin in NC, that totally wipes out her gains from PA.
All she has left is the "Nuclear Option" the forced seating of Florida and Michigan on May 30th at the DNC meeting. But even that won't work.
She has canceled her meetings tomorrow and the next couple days. That's not the sign of a 'winner'.
It's over...Obama wins...Flawless victory! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| She has canceled her meetings tomorrow and the next couple days. That's not the sign of a 'winner' |
Indeed it isn't. This may be a good sign. Typically, there is an announcement that the fight will continue, followed by a cancellation of campaign stops, then a surrender.
We can only hope she gives up before Kentucky and Oregon. |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: |
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| I saw the results in between class. Pissing off the black electorate came back to haunt her BIG TIME in IN and NC. In IN alone, Blacks broke for Obama 92 to 8. |
I'm glad you said "pissing off the black electorate". Some people seem to think that blacks were voting for Obama in large numbers since the beginning.  |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| kabrams wrote: |
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| I saw the results in between class. Pissing off the black electorate came back to haunt her BIG TIME in IN and NC. In IN alone, Blacks broke for Obama 92 to 8. |
I'm glad you said "pissing off the black electorate". Some people seem to think that blacks were voting for Obama in large numbers since the beginning. |
I think that Bill and Hillary's mishandling of racial politics will go down in history as one of the great acts of self-immolation in American political history. Up there with Rum Rome And Rebellion. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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I agree, unhappily, that Clinton's campaign will not likely secure the nomination and Obama's will.
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| It's over...Obama wins...Flawless victory! |
Not so fast. How will Obama and his supporters treat Clinton and her supporters and vice versa? Finally, I would most probably have voted for Clinton over McCain this November. I will not vote for Obama over McCain. There must be others who share my politics. In any case, no flawless victories on Obama's horizon as far as I can tell. Indeed if that were truly the case, then he should have bagged the nomination Super Tues and McCain should be responding to Obama's initiatives by now. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher, you may not change your mind, but I expect a number of people will. McCain hasn't been scrutinized thus far. He will be, and the McCain of 2000 is long gone. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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And add in the revelation that Clinton loaned her campaign another $6.4 million, which didn't come out until after the day after Indiana/North Carolina.
I think she's going to stay in the race until May 20th. His delegate pickup in Kentucky and Oregon should pretty much end it. The super delegates are starting to decide and it's clear Obama doesn't need that many to put him over the top. Last I looked Clinton still leads in super delegates, but only by 11. In the beginning of the year she lead by 100. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
And add in the revelation that Clinton loaned her campaign another $6.4 million, which didn't come out until after the day after Indiana/North Carolina.
I think she's going to stay in the race until May 20th. His delegate pickup in Kentucky and Oregon should pretty much end it. The super delegates are starting to decide and it's clear Obama doesn't need that many to put him over the top. Last I looked Clinton still leads in super delegates, but only by 11. In the beginning of the year she lead by 100. |
It is safe to say, that Hillary Clinton has an uphill battle. Obama has a significant lead in delegates and more wins when it comes to states, a lot more votes when it comes to popular votes, and she barely won Indiana.
I thought she was going to win Indiana by a slightly larger margin say 2%, but I did believe he could lose by say 2%. If he won Indiana, do you think Hillary would have pulled out? I am not so sure. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: |
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I have a tendency to say no, she would have stayed in regardless of whether she won Indiana or not.
1) She has stated repeatedly she's in the race for the long run
2) She's pretty much expected easy wins in Kentucky and West Virginia
Personally I was a little shocked Indiana was as close as it was, I thought Obama would lose by at least 5%. The last time I looked she won by about 23,600 votes. She lost North Carolina by a good margin, so the popular vote argument is thrown out the window.
I've been saying consistantly for about a month (if you don't believe me go check my post history) I think this will end on May 20th. On that day, Oregon will go for Obama and he will enough delegates between pledged and super delegates to end it. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| One of her campaign members talked to a pundit and told him that the campaign's gonna run till June 3, try and force Florida and Michigan past the ru | |
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