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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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As there wasn't a world cup in 1988 I assume this poster meant the 1986 World Cup. We hadn't beaten the Argentinians in any recent major tournaments prior to the 1986, or 1998 World Cups. So what exactly did Butterfly mean? The British press could only have been referring to the Falkland's War.
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Yeah 1986 'hand of god' incident, 'Argies get their own back' was of course a direct reference to the Falklands war, raising the point that Korea is not the only country to get all nationalistic, talking of 'revenge' when it comes to sport. The year in which it occured is hardly the point. Yes it is silly that Korean press talks about revenge re the Germany match, and constant silly references to the Ohno incident, but the UK does it too, as I'm sure does everyone else. Though I doubt any country has a press more jingoistic that that of Britain. |
In England we wouldn't talk of revenge if we beat Brazil (they knocked us out of the World Cup in qfs) in a youth match. The press obviously does in Korea. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Real R...
Repeating the same sentence over and over as your main argument does not make it valid.
This is sports where words have different meanings then they have in everyday life. Its the land of metaphors and analogies.
Ex: The Yankees crushed the Mariners
Now RR, does that mean they actually crushed them into a pulp or merely beat them soundly?
The Korean team beats the German "tank team" or under 20 years old players. Sportscasters and journalists call it "vengeance".
Are you dumb enough to take that litteraly?
Its just sports bombast.
Also, what does their age have to do with sportsmanship? The match was obviously approved by boths sides. the Korean team did not sent crack commadoes to abduct the German youths and lock them in a stadium to force them to play the Korean team did they?
Sounds like it was an exhibition match. Good experience for the german youths to play against a national team that had done well in the previous World Cup. The game was arranged by promoters, blame them if your unhappy.
I don't see the problem here beyond run of the mill sports bombast... 
Zed,
While you may disagree with the backline call that went against Spain in that game, you can't say that the Spaniards really put away the Korean team before that. The game was hotly contested.
That call has been analysed ad nauseaum and interpretations of it validate both sides. The ref however was on the line and in the action. It was a judgement call. He might have made a mistake or not. Thats part of human nature and of sports.
The fact remains that the game went to a shoot out and that Spain ended up losing this shoot out. No ref in the shootout Zed. No "home field advantage". Its one player and this huge soccer net guarded by the goalkeeper.
Spain missed a shot. No one made them miss. No one bribed them to miss. They missed all by themselves, they pulled a Baggio 1994. |
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Holyjoe
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: Away for a cuppa
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| In England we wouldn't talk of revenge if we beat Brazil (they knocked us out of the World Cup in qfs) in a youth match. The press obviously does in Korea. |
Because there is a totally different emphasis on youth matches in Korea and possibly other Asian countries, where national teams draw the fans and are far more popular than club sides. I was at the Sang-Am World Cup stadium last year along with 63,000 other folk to see the Korean U-20 team face Argentina U-20. The average attendance at K-league matches that year was around the 10,000 mark.
Contrast with Europe where generally the national side takes 2nd place to club teams - it's a whole different ball game (ho ho), just because it's done a certain way in England doesn't mean you can apply it to Korea. |
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matko
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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That's what confuses me about Europe. Why are club matches more important than national ones?
Does it have to do with the fact that European countries are so close to each other that regional rivalries overshadow national ones?
I always found that bizarre. Of course North American and Asian club competitions are important, but nothing compares to international victories for your country.
What's the deal? |
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Holyjoe
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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That's what confuses me about Europe. Why are club matches more important than national ones?
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I'd guess it might have something to do with the relative new-ness of club competitions in Asia and possibly the Americas too. For example, the K-league is the oldest professional league in Asia (supposedly) and it's been in existence for 20 years. Prior to that, club football was played mostly at amateur or University level on a pretty unorganised set-up. That possibly makes Cha Beum-Kun's Bundesliga achievements all the more remarkable (until Stefan Chapuisat broke the record in 1999, Cha was the Bundesliga's all-time top-scoring foreigner)
But I digress... club football has long been established as the main focus in Europe, and international football tends to come 2nd in importance. I know from my point of view (not neccessarily shared by others - I think mo thinks differently), if it was a choice between seeing Aberdeen win the Champions League or Scotland winning the World Cup, then I would definitely plump for the former.
Not that either scenario is likely, right enough...  |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| In England we wouldn't talk of revenge if we beat Brazil (they knocked us out of the World Cup in qfs) in a youth match. The press obviously does in Korea. |
Because there is a totally different emphasis on youth matches in Korea and possibly other Asian countries, where national teams draw the fans and are far more popular than club sides. I was at the Sang-Am World Cup stadium last year along with 63,000 other folk to see the Korean U-20 team face Argentina U-20. The average attendance at K-league matches that year was around the 10,000 mark.
Contrast with Europe where generally the national side takes 2nd place to club teams - it's a whole different ball game (ho ho), just because it's done a certain way in England doesn't mean you can apply it to Korea. |
Every Korean national match was very popuar last year. It might have been something to do with the World Cup. I certainly don't think that the progress of a national team takes the back seat to that of the club teams. They might be given more of an equal footing in Europe but that is because most European club teams are well over a hundred years old. |
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HardyandTiny
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:26 am Post subject: |
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I don't mind what fans do as long as they don't get violent.
I thought Ahn's speedskating dance summed up the main problem in Korea. |
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