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[Rteacher]

Well, since you're starting a new page, I'll quote what you're reacting to:

"Rteacher" wrote:

Religion has always served a social-control function, but real religions have always believed that an all-knowing God is the supreme controller.

Krishna explains that we all have existed as individuals since time immemorial, but we generally can't remember because of all the times we've changed our bodies and experienced birth and death traumas.

Krishna never changes his original transcendental body (though He can expand it unlimitedly) so he perfectly remembers everything.

Since we are all part of God, He expands within us all as the Supersoul to monitor our thoughts and activities.

Just as our limited consciousness spreads throughout our entire body because of the presence of the spirit-soul in the heart region (and the circulation of blood) the consciousness of the unlimited Supreme Soul, Vishnu, spreads throughout the entire body of the universe.

Nothing is left to chance - unless that's part of the plan...

All knowledge, facts and histories are recorded on the spiritual plane - via like an intercosmic hard disc (referred to by theosophists and New Agers as the Akashic Records.)

We transmigrate to our next births according to the arrangement of higher-dimensional authorities who tap into those records and place us in particular families/species according to what we really desire - modified by what we actually deserve.

On the other hand, you could theorize that everything materialized out of absolutely nothing, and might (and a good PR machine) makes right...

[pastis]

[Omkara]

There is some irony in your last line.

That I would theorize that everything manifested out of nothing. . .as if that is fantastical. . .

You make a great many interesting assertions, RTeacher. And they are all in line with your teacher's teachings, I have little doubt. But they all seem like radical flights of fancy, of the imagination; something I'd find interesting for speculation, but nothing on which I'd found even the smallest choice.

And that is what it comes down to, making good choices.

I still say you have a perverted view of matter. Matter is, after all, only an idea. But, ideas do blind, and religions are viruses. . .

That God is dead is tragic. That he was ever born is a disaster. We now have a pandemic of infected brains, unable to be self-critical, unable to see the error in their thinking. Un able to distinguish between idea and reality, between the finger pointing to the moon and the moon.

You think there is some actual separation between matter and spirit, but this is only a practical separation of two words.

[Justin Hale]

[Rteacher]

The above responses to my posts typify what happens when pearls are put before swine - hopefully that's just a coincidence, and no one posting here is actually fits the definition of swine:

1. Any of various omnivorous, even-toed ungulates of the family Suidae, including pigs, hogs, and boars, having a stout body with thick skin, a short neck, and a movable snout.
2. A person regarded as brutish or contemptible.

Everyone realizes God one way or another depending on how they approach the Supreme Person.

For atheists (and those who wishfully regard Him as dead) God is realized as cruel death - and they end up not unlike a rat caught in the mouth of a cat.

Death for devotees may also figuratively find them in the mouth of a cat - but it's like a kitten being lovingly picked up by the mother cat.

What's sad is that "blind doubters" (cloaked in materialistic science) are leading other blind doubters off the cliff to spiritual oblivion.

[ED209]

Yeah cats and swine and shit.

Great way to address your belief that those born into suffering have only themselves to blame. The AIDS baby, crack baby, deformed, diseased, brainless Krishna devotees, all have one thing in common. Due to karma they deserved it as punishment from an all powerful loving spirit.

[Rteacher]

Those who foolishly think they can kill cats, dogs, cows, trees, and humans of other races, religions, etc., without their being severe reactions (because they "reason" that nature is unconscious and God is dead) have only themselves to blame for their bad sowing and reaping of misery.

God is completely self-sufficient and doesn't need anything from us - but we are all related to Him as eternally dependent parts-and-parcels , created as individuals in order to increase the Original Person's enjoyment of loving exchanges.

If a good parent has a kid who wants nothing to do with him and foolishly struggles to be happy hanging out in dangerous places full of miserable conditions, chasing after false happiness, the parent still loves the child, but the kid suffers by stubbornly not reciprocating.

The way the material world is set up, even if conditioned souls in the human form don't take advantage of revealed scriptures and pure representatives of God, they gradually get purified and come to their spiritual senses after experiencing their fill of suffering and frustration in repeated births and deaths.

It takes a lot before some people become humble enough to turn to God.

Anyone who sincerely desires to go back to the spiritual world and engage in loving devotional service is automatically transferred there when their consciousness is purified.

Even millions of years amount to practically no time from the perspective of eternity.

Only fools think this life is the only one we have and waste it on hedonistic pleasures and/or materialistic schemes to "conquer nature".

Wise persons devote at least some of their time and energy to the simple, sublime and effective process of hearing and chanting transcendental names of God.

[crash bang]

if God is completely self-sufficient and doesn't need anything from us - then why is it necessary to increase the Original Person's enjoyment of loving exchanges?

[ED209]

[Justin Hale]

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[mises]

[Rteacher]

I'm sorry that some posters are so morally and spiritually debiltated that they recoil at the thought of being held accountable - even beyond this life when necessary - for actions that transgress the intricate laws of karma set up by an infinitely intelligent and inconceivably powerful transcendent being (aka God.)

That's why enlightened societies should enforce capital punishment on murderers in this life - so they won't be killed for no apparent reason their next life.

There's nothing in this philosophy that absolves abusers - they generate their own karma even if their victims may have had it coming anyway, and appropriate mundane laws usually apply.

If a person's karma is to be afflicted with various diseases, one should naturally try to cure them by any means available, but ultimately it's in God's hands.

In response to the intelligent question about why it should be necessary to increase the enjoyment of a self-sufficient God, my understanding is that the spiritual nature is always expanding, and God's only business is to enjoy.

As parts-and-parcels of God, we have the same enjoying spirit, but we can only fully enjoy by pleasing God with our loving devotional service, and He reciprocates.

Like George Harrison said, "All You Need Is Love (Krishna)"

[Omkara]

It's not about being held responsible; for we are responsible for our actions. It is more an issue of explaining reality correctly. Many things follow from both correct and incorrect implications, both of which are real.

Take for example the "karmic" explaniations of Hurricane Katrina, of 9-11, of the tsunami in Thailand. . .many Christians said that people were being held accountable for their sins.

Now, RTeacher, you cannot escape this one by saying, "I'm not a Christian and the people will be held responsible in their next life. . ." No. The principle is the same and just as dangerous.

Try to answer this criticism; don't just spout more doctrine. Do you or do you not see the problem here?