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Ocean



Joined: 04 May 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Superficiality - U.S. vs. Korea Reply with quote

I've read some previous posts touching upon this subject, mainly dealing with weight issues, but as a whole, what are your thoughts about superficiality in the U.S. vs. Korea?

My thoughts:
I know everyone is superficial to a certain extent, but from my personal experience, Korea's superficiality was considerably more apparent. I mean, in the U.S. you can get a decent job even if you're not up to par in the looks department, but in Korea, especially if you're a woman, they measure you by your looks! Not only that, when I went to Korea for a short college stint, I was the only one who did not wear make-up / prissy clothes, etc. AND people's treatment towards me was heavily based upon looks. On multiple occasions, I got treated way better than my friend (who was chubby) which I didn't notice until it happened repeatedly. By no means am I saying that I'm attractive, but I am saying that there is a blatant discrimination and a high level of superficiality in Korea. I mean, sure, it exists in the U.S. too, but not to this extreme, and it's more subtle (like guys hold doors for hot chicks and give better service, and you get more promotions / job offers). Moreover, in the U.S., there is a sizable amount of the population that believes that the emphasis should be placed upon inner beauty... whereas in Korea, it's put on outer beauty.

Your thoughts and experiences?
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victorology



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tend to agree with your opinion. From my experience, Americans and Koreans are both superficial but Koreans are much more blatantly superficial. I think a big reason is Americans feel the need to be more "politically correct" than Koreans.

In Korea, you can tell someone they're fat and it's just seen as being honest. On the other hand, someone who calls someone fat in America will be seen as rude. That doesn't mean the American who holds his or her tongue doesn't feel the same.
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bovinerebel



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well certainly the U.S has a bit to answer to for its export of narcicism and shallow anti-values (see : sex and the city). Do you realise how distasteful and vulgar it's considered in some cultures ?

But for me Korea certainly takes the cake for the value of content over context. At least the states at some level seems to understand and think about its sickness.

Depending on the way you look here , you are in for a total different level of experience. If you're young and good looking you're going to get treated like a demi-god by the opposite sex. If you're not so young and good looking you will be an object of loath and disgust for the locals without even the most basic considerations for your well being taken into consideration. But that's just in one context .....in others you will be treated very politely regardless.
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anyway



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bovinerebel wrote:
Well certainly the U.S has a bit to answer to for its export of narcicism and shallow anti-values (see : sex and the city). Do you realise how distasteful and vulgar it's considered in some cultures ?

But for me Korea certainly takes the cake for the value of content over context. At least the states at some level seems to understand and think about its sickness.

Depending on the way you look here , you are in for a total different level of experience. If you're young and good looking you're going to get treated like a demi-god by the opposite sex. If you're not so young and good looking you will be an object of loath and disgust for the locals without even the most basic considerations for your well being taken into consideration. But that's just in one context .....in others you will be treated very politely regardless.


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stevieg4ever



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not American but surely this is a no brainer.

Look at how common plastic surgery is and that will tell just how looks obsessed Koreans are. I'm in elementary and i am sure some of my kids had surgery during the break. Parents will save from as young as 6 to afford plastic surgery in the future.

Quite frankly I have never met people who are so obsessed with being white.

Korean obsession with appearances is so primitive and debased its laughable. I think a lot of Koreans know this and have said as much to me before.
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kiwiduncan



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not just with their own personal physical appearance that Koreans show a great deal of superficiality. Look at the way they promote their cities. Admittedly every country and municipality has a reality gap between the images they show in their promotional material and what you get in real life, but Korea cities take it to new levels.

Down here in Yeosu they are getting all hyped up and excited about the 2012 Expo but the way they are going about it is farcical. The whole focus of the Expo is supposed to be eco-friendliness, clean oceans and what not but I've never seen coastlines in more of a sorry state than the coastline down here.

All their preparations so far seem to be centred on building new motorways and hotels and I would be surprised if, at the end of the day they spend any more than a fraction of a percent of their budget on actually cleaning up the coastline and seawater and giving the locals a proper education about preserving the marine environment. They'll have city hall staff out in huge numbers on the main streets of course, picking up every single cigarette butt for fear that it might be seen by the tourists, but anywhere where no-one's looking it'll be crap as usual.

All we'll see in Yeosu over the next few years will be loads of superficial gentrification of the city centre and some new street signs, trees and planter boxes. They'll post up cute little cartoons of fish and dolphines too, then mow down another hillside for a golfcourse.
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captain kirk



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiduncan wrote:
then mow down another hillside for a golfcourse.


A couple of years ago I lived in Gumi. About 5km out of town on the road to Daegu is one of the most beautiful valleys that nudges through a pass thru the mountain range. I went hiking there a couple of times and honestly couldn't believe how beautiful the place was. In autumn the woods were visited by people picking chestnuts. A natural chestnut forest and, everywhere, pottery from thousands of years ago indicating this low pass was inhabited and farmed. But in a small way, with little terraces made using low, natural stone walls. Nobody these days bothering to farm it because of the 'micro' nature of the pass. Seriously, one of the most beautiful natural places I've ever seen here.

Suddenly I couldn't get in there one weekend. An extra road had been blazed in and the old road was blocked off. Big trucks and dynamiting, loads of dirt going out. They were felling trees and cutting with graders huge terraces on the slopes above, as well as tearing up the low pass.

Later, I asked a gas station attendant about what could be seen, off in the distance, kilometers away.

He said it would be a golf course, and shrugged.


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aka Dave



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm from L.A., and Koreans are far more looks obsessed than even Los Angelenos.

I didn't even think that was possible.

This can be kinda sad, too. I had an overweight Korean student (in my "teaching English as English class" for teachers taking the teaching certification exam) who gave his mid-term teaching lesson plan on weight and health.

He started by saying, essentially, "Look at me, I need to improve my health", which was just a downer to me.
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kiwiduncan



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

captain kirk wrote:
kiwiduncan wrote:
then mow down another hillside for a golfcourse.


A couple of years ago I lived in Gumi. About 5km out of town on the road to Daegu is one of the most beautiful valleys that nudges through a pass thru the mountain range. I went hiking there a couple of times and honestly couldn't believe how beautiful the place was. In autumn the woods were visited by people picking chestnuts. A natural chestnut forest and, everywhere, pottery from thousands of years ago indicating this low pass was inhabited and farmed. But in a small way, with little terraces made using low, natural stone walls. Nobody these days bothering to farm it because of the 'micro' nature of the pass. Seriously, one of the most beautiful natural places I've ever seen here.

Suddenly I couldn't get in there one weekend. An extra road had been blazed in and the old road was blocked off. Big trucks and dynamiting, loads of dirt going out. They were felling trees and cutting with graders huge terraces on the slopes above, as well as tearing up the low pass.

Later, I asked a gas station attendant about what could be seen, off in the distance, kilometers away.

He said it would be a golf course, and shrugged.


It's sad that so many Koreans (but not all I might add) are so apathetic and disinterested in the 'development' that only seems to be gouging and scarring the countryside for the benefit of the rich.

In Yeosu's case even many golfers are opposed to the new golf course being developed. They say the steep hillsides it's being built on are completely unsuited to golf courses. Sadly the mayor of Yeosu is a little mini version of LMB. All he thinks of is development, development and more development. It's people like him who make the majority of Korean politicians come across as ignorant, superficial and backwards.
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:51 am    Post subject: Re: Superficiality - U.S. vs. Korea Reply with quote

Ocean wrote:
I've read some previous posts touching upon this subject, mainly dealing with weight issues, but as a whole, what are your thoughts about superficiality in the U.S. vs. Korea?

My thoughts:
I know everyone is superficial to a certain extent, but from my personal experience, Korea's superficiality was considerably more apparent. I mean, in the U.S. you can get a decent job even if you're not up to par in the looks department, but in Korea, especially if you're a woman, they measure you by your looks! Not only that, when I went to Korea for a short college stint, I was the only one who did not wear make-up / prissy clothes, etc. AND people's treatment towards me was heavily based upon looks. On multiple occasions, I got treated way better than my friend (who was chubby) which I didn't notice until it happened repeatedly. By no means am I saying that I'm attractive, but I am saying that there is a blatant discrimination and a high level of superficiality in Korea. I mean, sure, it exists in the U.S. too, but not to this extreme, and it's more subtle (like guys hold doors for hot chicks and give better service, and you get more promotions / job offers). Moreover, in the U.S., there is a sizable amount of the population that believes that the emphasis should be placed upon inner beauty... whereas in Korea, it's put on outer beauty.

Your thoughts and experiences?


Interestingly enough in my city, I have seen many more "heavier" than people than I'd expect, even though we are not even remotely approaching US proportions. I don't particularly see them being looked down on, etc but perhaps that's because I live in a working class area in a factory/working class city (and this may explain why there are more fattied here than in shi shi areas of Seoul for e.g.)

and though I'd agree with the other posters, I also think it'd be nice if Americans were a little more concerned with their looks frankly.

(though I would agree that in terms of jobs/opportunity, brains should always triumph over looks if money is at stake and your appearance isn't serving as a marketeability tool.

on a slightly different tack what I tend to dislike about Americans is their basic bullshit shallowness when it comes to perfunctory pleasantries..
e.g.. how are you.. EVERYONE says I am fine... while knowing at least half the time the questioner doesn't give a *beep* how you are and half the time you're NOT fine.. etc etc etc
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea is a country where six year old kids know the square footage of their apartments. These kids also know the local apartment names and which ones are the most desirable to live in. Lotte Castle anyone?
The more well to do parents of these same kids tell their children not to play with classmates whose apartments are under x pyong in size.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The dichotomy is I think that in the US we are supposed to feel guilty about it. We have slogans like "beauty is only skin deep" "beauty is only on the inside" etc. Particularly when it comes to their dating lives most people ignore these and to a lesser extent even who they hire. My male friends used to tell me it didn't matter what you look like you can get any girl you want. After being shot down repeatedly I learned otherwise of course.

So basically, I bought the hype for a time, and I imagine that I'm not the only one, and then you've got a large number of people who hide their prejudices, so yes, I would say we're a less looks obsessed society, although the difference probably isn't as great as it might look at first glance.
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Scotticus



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kingplaya4 wrote:
The dichotomy is I think that in the US we are supposed to feel guilty about it. We have slogans like "beauty is only skin deep" "beauty is only on the inside" etc. Particularly when it comes to their dating lives most people ignore these and to a lesser extent even who they hire. My male friends used to tell me it didn't matter what you look like you can get any girl you want. After being shot down repeatedly I learned otherwise of course.

So basically, I bought the hype for a time, and I imagine that I'm not the only one, and then you've got a large number of people who hide their prejudices, so yes, I would say we're a less looks obsessed society, although the difference probably isn't as great as it might look at first glance.


Exactly! They took our superficiality, greed and selfishness but didn't inherit the guilt or tact that are supposed to come with it. I've never been in a country where people are so quick to admit that they want to marry for money or are so carefree about having their bodies surgically modified.

You can even see it in Korean pop culture. Imagine how fast a celeb's popularity would drop in the States if you saw them in 25 different ad campaigns at the same time. Even the hardcore creepy sellouts (Britney, Michael Jackson) were in one or two ads at a time tops. Meanwhile I can't walk 5 feet without saying that *beep* Rain and his smug grin or Kim Tae Hee and that damnable vacant look she always has on.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beej wrote:
Korea is a country where six year old kids know the square footage of their apartments. These kids also know the local apartment names and which ones are the most desirable to live in. Lotte Castle anyone?
The more well to do parents of these same kids tell their children not to play with classmates whose apartments are under x pyong in size.


It's terrible. I remember once wandering around with some of my kiddies once and being outside their apartments. One kid asked another "how many pyeong is your apartment?" and when she heard the reply she just smirked, giggled then said "sorry" with about as much sincerity as Hillary Clinton.

When will Koreans realize that, no matter how much they redecorate and no matter how many flat screen TVs and intelligent kimchi fridges they have, they kjust live in shitty little concrete boxes perched on top of each other? The Xai apartuh adverts with that smug cow Lee Yong Ae are especially offensive.

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea: narcissism at it's worst/best

Korea: where the women want to be prettier than everyone else, and the men want to be prettier than the women.
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