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R. S. Refugee
Joined: 29 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: Senior moments will defeat McCain. |
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This is just my speculation after seeing a tiny example of it recently.
After Obama is chosen as the Dem candidate, his campaign will make the case in the kindest, gentlest, most diplomatic yet effective way that McCain is too similar to a doddering old chap for such an important job to be safely entrusted to him. (He does have a tendency to forget whether it's Shiites or Sunnis or both that he wants to attack next.) It will be a compelling argument and McCain will most likely continue to provide them with all the help they need to make that case. Lots of people will feel sympathetic to McCain's suffering the ravages of age, but not so sympathetic that they will want to give him the power to launch more wars, in my opinion.
People will be put in mind of the disadvantages of having another senile president. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe that's true. But it would be the wrong reason for Americans to turn away from McCain.
I wonder if McCain's senior moments could not be blamed on fatigue. And both candidates are susceptible to fatigue. |
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bookemdanno
Joined: 30 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Refugee mused:
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| This is just my speculation after seeing a tiny example of it recently. |
You mean that this is just your wishful thinking, don't you? 
At least McCain hasn't been making nearly as many gaffes as the Democratic contenders. What's their excuse? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
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Old Media Ignores Obama's '57 States,' Obsessed Over Quayle's 'Potatoe'
By Tom Blumer | May 11, 2008 - 23:56 ET
During the 1992 presidential campaign, when incumbent Vice President Dan Quayle made a spelling mistake, the New York Times was all over it. It's clear from the Times's story that the rest of the media was also in full pursuit:
So Jay Leno has a week's worth of new Dan Quayle jokes. At a school here, everyone was quite hush-hush the day after the visiting Vice President spelled potato wrong while directing a spelling bee.
..... Reporters stood around today for hours outside of the house where 12-year-old William Figueroa lives. He has become a national celebrity for having spelled the word correctly on the blackboard, only to have Mr. Quayle, holding a flash card with the word spelled incorrectly, encourage him to add an E at the end.
On Friday, Barack Obama, as NewsBusters John Stephenson reported, told an Oregon audience that "I've been in 57 states, (with) I think one left to go."
Searches at the Times on [Obama "57 states"] and [Obama "fifty-seven states"] -- each typed as indicated -- came up with the following results: |
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/05/11/old-media-ignores-obamas-57-states-couldnt-get-enough-quayles-potatoe
McCain is every bit as senile as Obama is ignorant.
Now I don't think Obama is ignorant- though I can't say the same about more than a few of his supporters. Certainly not all of them are ignorant through more than a few of them are quite decitful. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Joo,
I think Tom Plumer's main gripe, that the media goes easier on Obama than it did Quayle, could be applied just as easily to McCain. Both candidates are media darlings.
There's something very high school about the MSM and even the blogosphere that turns me off.
Also, Plumer's point should support belated leniency for Quayle's silly mispelling, and not bolster nitpickery with relation to Obama's fatigue induced statement.
I think if you want to really rip Obama apart, you start with his last debate performance, and then go into how he was too much of a coward to debate Hillary before North Carolina. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros, Obama agreed to debate Clinton in North Carolina about a month back for the 19th of April; Clinton refused to agree because it was before Pennsylvania, and only brought up the subject after the 22nd. |
I don't think your timeline is correct.
Obama declines debate
Obama, after his failure in the Penn debates, decided that that would be his last against Clinton. Not an entirely unwise choice, since everytime I saw Clinton in a debate, I remembered why I supported her. But, this may have lost Obama an important superdelegate. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
Kuros, Obama agreed to debate Clinton in North Carolina about a month back for the 19th of April; Clinton refused to agree because it was before Pennsylvania, and only brought up the subject after the 22nd. |
I don't think your timeline is correct.
Obama declines debate |
Okay, she only brought up the subject after it was looking like the debate was going to happen after the 22nd.
Neither were cowardice, just simple political manoeuvring on both sides. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Joo,
I think Tom Plumer's main gripe, that the media goes easier on Obama than it did Quayle, could be applied just as easily to McCain. Both candidates are media darlings.
There's something very high school about the MSM and even the blogosphere that turns me off.
Also, Plumer's point should support belated leniency for Quayle's silly mispelling, and not bolster nitpickery with relation to Obama's fatigue induced statement.
I think if you want to really rip Obama apart, you start with his last debate performance, and then go into how he was too much of a coward to debate Hillary before North Carolina. |
Both McCain and Obama are liked by most of the media though I think the media is even easier on Obama. Look at how the NY Times won't report anything negative against him.
Obama is a excellent speaker but doesn't debate very well.
Any my problem isn't with Obama . It is with his supporters. |
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Don Gately
Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Location: In a basement taking a severe beating
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject: Re: Senior moments will defeat McCain. |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| McCain is too similar to a doddering old chap for such an important job to be safely entrusted to him. (He does have a tendency to forget whether it's Shiites or Sunnis or both that he wants to attack next.) It will be a compelling argument and McCain will most likely continue to provide them with all the help they need to make that case. |
Are you saying Americans won't elect somebody president because they have slips of the tongue and a less-than-total grasp of the subtleties of the international socio-political climate?
Because I don't think recent history supports that thesis. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe Barack Hussein Obama meant the 57 states of Islam.  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| What matters is his politics. What his religion is or isn't is none of my business |
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agentX
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Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:49 am Post subject: |
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[sarcasm]
Obama's right...we have 57 states.
51. Canada
52. Puerto Rico
53. Guam and the Pacific island territories
54. the UK
55. Iraq/Afghanistan
56. Denial
57. Apathy
[/sarcasm]
In the meantime, McCain's age will be apparent in light of all these gaffs.
But, Chris Matthews of MSNBC once said that a gaff is when a politician is saying what he truly thinks but doesn't poll well.
Speaking of age...
http://www.oldmanmccain.com/2008/05/obamas-senior-deficit.html
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| There's no telling how many McCainiac seniors will be swayed by the Obama campaign pointing out that McCain has spent years waging war on Social Security and Medicare and basically thinks everyone should get on the "marry a wealthy heiress" retirement plan, but it's going to be more than zero people. Seniors have already heard a good deal of the sort of culture war attacks on Obama that are likely to be the biggest thing driving them toward McCain, but they've heard essentially nothing of the retirement policy attacks on McCain that are likely to be the biggest thing driving them toward Obama. Consequently, Obama's senior deficit is very big. But he's winning anyway, and though he'll probably never close the senior gap he'll almost certainly narrow it. |
So, his policies and votes, whenever he doesn't change them to suit whatever the special interests that run his campaign say, will be the main nails in his campaign coffin. It's just a matter of time before another big nail comes along. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| I think he meant to say 47 states. But hey, that's just Leslie out on a limb. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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McCain pledges to combat climate change
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McCain's speech was aimed at independents and centrist Democrats whose votes he will need in the November election. His break with Bush comes as critics assert his candidacy amounts to little more than a third term for the current president.
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McCain on nuclear power (and the French): +++ |
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