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uberscheisse
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if it didn't happen in washington DC in 1985, it's not emo.
provable. |
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Lola
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| Poor kid. |
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Vagrantlest
Joined: 03 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Its the girls and the parents fault not anything else. Parents need to teach their kids more about the point of living and how the world works isntead of just making sure they have a home. Shes also to blame for not figuring out what she was doing was wrong by herself, she did them so shes not without blame. Then again why blame anyone when we can work harder to making sure it doesnt happen again. |
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Fishead soup
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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This Kinda reminds me of 1976-1980. When punk first came out. There were lots of exagerrated media depictions of T.V. which demonised the subculture. The CBC had an interview with Hannah Gartner who interviwed the Viletones Teenage Head and The Poles. Nazi Dog from the Viletones showed off all his self inflicted wounds and told her he wasn't afraid the stab someone with a screw driver.
If you watch the Video, "New Rose" by the Damned 1976 you can see where Marylin Manson got his image. |
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SirFink
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
| That's not emo, for heaven's sake. That's GOTH. |
At some point in history, emo went from this
...to this
Goth was this:
 ...which stopped being cool in about 1987. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
| That's not emo, for heaven's sake. That's GOTH. |
At some point in history, emo went from this
...to this
Goth was this:
...which stopped being cool in about 1987. |
Take a look at The Damned 1976 |
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kermo
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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I was arguing about the current definitions. I'll gladly take my lumps if I'm wrong, because there are people who actually care about this stuff, whereas I keep most current music in my peripheral vision, but when I think of emo, I think of Weezer and the Weakerthans (I'm dating myself now, aren't I?) Thick glasses frames, floppy haircuts, anaemic guitar. I'd put the death-obsessed black-lipstick wearers in the goth category.
However, the urban dictionary demonstrates that there are vastly differing opinions:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goth
There are some cute theories about emo too:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=emo
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Emo
17456 up, 8319 down
Like a Goth, only much less dark and much more Harry Potter.
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Genre of softcore punk music that integrates unenthusiastic melodramatic 17 year olds who dont smile, high pitched overwrought lyrics and inaudible guitar rifts with tight wool sweaters, tighter jeans, itchy scarfs (even in the summer), ripped chucks with favorite bands signature, black square rimmed glasses, and ebony greasy unwashed hair that is required to cover at least 3/5 ths of the face at an angle. |
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blurgalurgalurga
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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We used to call them artfags (actually not a gender specific term, surprisingly) when i was a kid.
Really though, the whole self-indulgent teen angst thing is not new or interesting unless you are a self-indulgent teen. Such a Holden Caulfield way of looking at the world...what a buncha phonies! |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
| That's not emo, for heaven's sake. That's GOTH. |
At some point in history, emo went from this
...to this
Goth was this:
...which stopped being cool in about 1987. |
none of those pics were taken in washington DC in 1985. therefore not emo.
call it pop, or artfags trying to ball chicks who listen to the cure. just don't call it emo. |
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TECO
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| That ""EMO"" shit seems irritating. |
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kermo
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: |
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In an effort to understand why people kept referring to the eighties, I looked it up on the ol' wiki, and realized that what we currently call "emo" is in its "third wave." In the eighties, I only listened to Gilbert and Sullivan, the Beatles, and Bobby McFerrin.
Anyway, it all comes down to marketing, doesn't it? |
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SirFink
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
| In the eighties, I only listened to Gilbert and Sullivan, the Beatles, and Bobby McFerrin. |
You were a gay man in the 80's?
For us old-timers, "emo" was a kind of punk rock that grew out of the straight edge and hardcore scenes. At least, that's how I remember it. I remember wearing dirty jeans and t-shirts and jumping around to eardrum-shattering music in some kid's basement with a couple dozen other kids.
Ten years later I turn on MTV and see eyeliner-wearing, blackshirt-and-red-tie douchebags being called "emo" and kids are digging it. Couldn't they have made up a new word? |
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uberscheisse
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Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| SirFink wrote: |
| kermo wrote: |
| In the eighties, I only listened to Gilbert and Sullivan, the Beatles, and Bobby McFerrin. |
You were a gay man in the 80's?
For us old-timers, "emo" was a kind of punk rock that grew out of the straight edge and hardcore scenes. At least, that's how I remember it. I remember wearing dirty jeans and t-shirts and jumping around to eardrum-shattering music in some kid's basement with a couple dozen other kids.
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hate to sound like the guy at the party who pipes up with an "aaaaactually..." and brings up some annoying fact that deadens a lively conversation...
but emo did come out of the hardcore scene but as a reaction to rampant violence at shows. skinheads showing up at shows and beating the crap out of anyone with long hair, etc. that's what brought about "revolution summer" in 1985 - a big non-violence movement in the DC hardcore scene. bands like rites of spring, gray matter and embrace turned away from harder-edged themes to more introspective stuff, bringing about the "emotional" tag, with expressions of emotion as political resistance to violence.
sounds hokey, but it's infinitely cooler than some agent-groomed shitbird co-opting the term because he wants to get laid... or some idiot writer for SPIN or AP using the term out of sheer laziness.
kinda like how people started using the word "alternative" to mean "band that isn't a hair metal or classic rock band" rather than meaning "band that challenges your conceptions of what rock music is" back in the 90s.
wack. 1100 different kinds of wack brought about by annoying, dumb people who don't research what they say. |
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panthermodern
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panthermodern
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