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freshking
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| I think that Edwards waited way too long to come out in support of either Obama or Clinton. What a wuss! He had to wait until the thing was locked to stick his neck out. Too little too late. Maybe he saw his opportunity to brag about taking 12% of the vote in W. Virginnie. |
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bookemdanno

Joined: 30 Apr 2008
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:10 am Post subject: |
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Pligg, I despise you. You beat me to the punch on this one big time.
YES, emphatically YES! This is the winning lotto jackpot number!
Seriously, Edwards has the persona to complement Obama, he's a Southerner with name recognition and credibility and would make a good president in his own right. Like Obama, he doesn't easily get flustered or histrionic like the Clintons...or sarcastic and snide like McCain.
Edwards on the ticket would mean an articulate and charismatic duo that McCain would be hard pressed to match. He also presents a youthful image and manages to be a smooth talker with always talking out of both corners of his mouth like Bill Clinton. Moreover, he has the sympathy vote, the "ain't he handsome vote" (same as JFK got), and a considerable degree of domestic policy savvy, with domestic issues now being the trump issue according to the polls.
As Ya-Ta Boy aptly noted, there'd be powerful symbolism afoot with these two on the same stage and Edwards would bring in the working class vote (along with Michael Moore) but also ameliorate the bad feeling of many blue collar die-hard supporters of Hillary.
Frankly, I can't think of a better running mate for the Dems unless of course Obama invites James Carville to the table...
...(just seeing if you're awake on that last one) |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: |
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By the OP, I only meant that listening to him this morning was like listening to someone who was already on the ticket. Did you hear how many times he said "we" when referring to the future hopefully Democratic administration? I'm only wondering if Obama had to promise him the position in order to get the endorsement.
I would love to see that, and it seemed like a done deal to me when I watched it this morning. |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:47 am Post subject: |
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From Kerry/Edwards to Obama/Edwards.
Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Webb doesn't want it (the VP slot). Obama's gonna hafta look elsewhere.
Maybe a woman, maybe a southerner. Edwards still doesn't seem to be selling that he wants it bad. He wants the Presidency, not the VP.
Obama's really keeping his pick close to the vest, if he has one. Who knows? Will he just say on the convention floor "OK folks! Last one standing is my VP!". Then we' dreally see Hillary's claws come out. |
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:34 am Post subject: |
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With all the negativity she's thrown toward Obama, she has absolutely no chance of being the vice presidential nominee.
Zero.
Seriously, though... Has anyone but me seen the speech? |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Has Richards lost weight? I'd much prefer him as VP. Edwards doesn't bring any executive experience, and he's already lost once. I think he'll be happy if he gets put in a position where he can directly tackle poverty.
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
| Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. |
Very strange sexualization of the American presidency and vice-presidency. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Has Richards lost weight? I'd much prefer him as VP. Edwards doesn't bring any executive experience, and he's already lost once. I think he'll be happy if he gets put in a position where he can directly tackle poverty.
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If Richardson wants the VeeP slot, he certainly deserves it more than Edwards. Richardson came out for Obama when it mattered; Edwards only endorsed after Obama won North Carolina. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| No question that Richardson is a stand-up leader. I hope he appears in any Democratic cabinet that might win the White House this Nov. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Surprised at how right wing some of the Hillary supporters are sounding. "Obama can't win the white vote!" |
It isn't really right wing. It is simply not true.
Obama won Iowa and Iowa is about as white bread as you can get outside a Klan rally. Obama does have a white skin/blue collar problem so far, but only some of it is due to skin color. I'm not so sure he can't overcome that in the general election. |
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Tiger Beer

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama does have a white skin/blue collar problem so far, but only some of it is due to skin color. I'm not so sure he can't overcome that in the general election. |
I was on West Virginia message board trying to make sense of the heavily Clinton over Obama voting preference.
Some of the media was spinning it that WV just has a skin color problem. I was also posing questions that would those same Hiliary supporters be voting for McCain or Hiliary in a general election if it were to occur.
Overwhelmingly they just liked Hiliary. I think she just seems to appeal to those Rust Belt, industrial, heavy Labor-oriented, or in this case coal-mining types of regions.
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Pligganease

Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: The deep south...
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Surprised at how right wing some of the Hillary supporters are sounding. "Obama can't win the white vote!" |
It isn't really right wing. It is simply not true.
Obama won Iowa and Iowa is about as white bread as you can get outside a Klan rally. Obama does have a white skin/blue collar problem so far, but only some of it is due to skin color. I'm not so sure he can't overcome that in the general election. |
Any Clinton "supporter" who says they will vote for McCain instead of Obama is racist in my book. The fact that they would support a white person with completely opposite positions rather than a black person with similar positions is a clear indicator for me. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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| Surprised at how right wing some of the Hillary supporters are sounding. "Obama can't win the white vote!" |
It isn't really right wing. It is simply not true.
Obama won Iowa and Iowa is about as white bread as you can get outside a Klan rally. Obama does have a white skin/blue collar problem so far, but only some of it is due to skin color. I'm not so sure he can't overcome that in the general election. |
Any Clinton "supporter" who says they will vote for McCain instead of Obama is racist in my book. The fact that they would support a white person with completely opposite positions rather than a black person with similar positions is a clear indicator for me. |
Then, by the converse, any of those Obama "supporters" who would have voted for McCain instead of Clinton are sexist. Reductio ad absurdum. |
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bookemdanno

Joined: 30 Apr 2008
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Then, by the converse, any of those Obama "supporters" who would have voted for McCain instead of Clinton are sexist. Reductio ad absurdum. |
Precisely: that Hillary is transgendered shouldn't be held against her.
Maybe Obama and Edwards delayed the announcement for dramatic effect? |
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