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Atramentous



Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Location: Ansan

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:43 am    Post subject: Does nationality matter? Reply with quote

While looking through different job postings for jobs in Korea, I noticed that they sometimes prefer and/or request a certain nationality for their applicants. Is there a bias that is in favour of or against certain english speaking countries? If so, what are they? I am curious as I hold dual citizenship to two english-speaking countries.


*edited for stupid mistake


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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the end, it doesn't really matter.
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jen_the_great



Joined: 09 Sep 2006
Location: Gangnam, Seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't matter, but hagwons, especially smaller hagwons, like to show off their foreigners and the more American movie star they look, the better. I got a minimal amount of flack for being half Asian but it's not a big deal.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been declined some jobs because I am British and not North American. After phoning some hagwons, the boss said "umm, I can't understand your accent. You're not American, are you?" I said, "Does it matter?" And he replied by saying, "Well North American English is important." I laughed and asked him, "Who invented the language?" and he replied "the Americans did." I put the phone down.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
I've been declined some jobs because I am British and not North American. After phoning some hagwons, the boss said "umm, I can't understand your accent. You're not American, are you?" I said, "Does it matter?" And he replied by saying, "Well North American English is important." I laughed and asked him, "Who invented the language?" and he replied "the Americans did." I put the phone down.


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Atramentous



Joined: 12 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Sorry, that just makes me laugh. My parents have been waging that war about who speaks the most correctly since they married. My mum is a naturalized Brit and Dad is an American. She spent loads of time correcting her childrens' "horrendous" speech patterns and accent.
I should opt to be of the American persuasion then, I take it? Sorry, Mum.
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Davew125



Joined: 11 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
I've been declined some jobs because I am British and not North American. After phoning some hagwons, the boss said "umm, I can't understand your accent. You're not American, are you?" I said, "Does it matter?" And he replied by saying, "Well North American English is important." I laughed and asked him, "Who invented the language?" and he replied "the Americans did." I put the phone down.


you should have pointed out that in fact, you dont have an accent, this is just how it sounds when English is spoken correctly Wink
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SirFink



Joined: 05 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Does nationality matter? Reply with quote

Atramentous wrote:
Is their a bias that is in favour of or against certain english speaking countries?


No, but there is one against English teachers who spell "there" as "their." Sorry, someone has to be the ass on a forum for English teachers.

Anyhow, I've had classrooms burst into applause when I announce I'm American ("America is cool!"). Yet they hate us and our disease-ridden cows.

The truth is most Koreans couldn't tell a South African accent from an American one let alone a New Orleans accent from a Boston accent.

And could someone point out to these folks that Mexico is part of North America? Are they hiring Mexicans now?
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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a whole lot of "I love being English" on this thread.
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cazzy3



Joined: 07 May 2008
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP- if you have to claim one 'accent', it's better to just say you speak American English to avoid any problems. even though many regional american accents can be just as difficult to understand for koreans (deep south, hard NYC accent).
it's getting better though- 5 years ago many places ONLY would hire american/canadian people but now there seems to be more irish, south africans, et.al.
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ReeseDog



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

American southern is tough, granted. So is Brooklyn. Then again, cockney is hard to understand (for me), and has anyone ever heard someone from Newcastle speak? I'm sure Aussies and New Zealanders have regional accents as well (though they all sound the same to me).

This topic must have been previously addressed.

Everyone has an accent. There is no such thing as having unaccented English.

Question: Is it really true that Koreans learning the language cannot distinguish between accents?
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mnhnhyouh



Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReeseDog wrote:
American southern is tough, granted. So is Brooklyn. Then again, cockney is hard to understand (for me), and has anyone ever heard someone from Newcastle speak? I'm sure Aussies and New Zealanders have regional accents as well (though they all sound the same to me).


There is much less regionality in Australian accents. There is a distinct "English" sound to South Australians, but it is almost impossible to pin anybody else.

Well there is the use of a stray "hey" and "but" on the end of sentences from Queenslanders, but that is more their grammatical use than an accent.

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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing about the British accent is that there are so many and they are all very different. In the south-east we speak in a much clearer and more comprehensible manner than our northern scally counterparts.

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hugekebab



Joined: 05 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Does nationality matter? Reply with quote

SirFink wrote:
Atramentous wrote:
Is their a bias that is in favour of or against certain english speaking countries?


No, but there is one against English teachers who spell "there" as "their." Sorry, someone has to be the ass on a forum for English teachers.

Anyhow, I've had classrooms burst into applause when I announce I'm American ("America is cool!"). Yet they hate us and our disease-ridden cows.

The truth is most Koreans couldn't tell a South African accent from an American one let alone a New Orleans accent from a Boston accent.

And could someone point out to these folks that Mexico is part of North America? Are they hiring Mexicans now?


I think there's one about those who use conjunctions to start sentences too (don't post a link to a site saying that rule's arbitrary, this is a joke).
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hugekebab



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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReeseDog wrote:
I'm sure Aussies and New Zealanders have regional accents as well (though they all sound the same to me).



my aussie friend here said they don't really.
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