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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: Outragous Foreigner Runs On Baseball Field: He Hates Korea! |
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The anti-Americanism seems to be reaching new highs...
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I want to ask them. I want to know if they can do that in America, too. America�s a democracy, so they have pretty strong rights in public. They have the unwritten rule, �don�t antagonize the police�. With the high possibility of a heavy punishment, ordinary US citizens avoid committing any breaches of public order in baseball stadiums and other public places. They know that a severe punishment from the police would follow.
In major league baseball stadiums the ones showing off their power are the security guards and police. They protect the safety and public order of the stadium. Normally they are kind to the fans and ensure order, and if some problem arises in the stadium they go to it and direct the traffic. Spectators who cause trouble are taken from their seats and strictly punished.
Because of this there are few instances of spectators rushing onto major league grass. Though it sometimes happens, when it does the offender is strictly punished. First of all, a physical punishment cannot be ruled out, and second there can be a fine or jail time. Because of this few spectators in MLB parks trespass on the field or create disturbances in their seats.
But recently in Korean baseball stadiums, with foreign spectators increasing in number, there have been a rash of trespasses onto the field. Drunken young foreign spectators rush onto the field with the game in progress, proudly creating a spectacle. The security guards restrain them and escort them out, but there are no reports of them being legally punished.
There are various ill effects from the trespasses of these baseball fans, who seem to be mostly American. They could even lay the foundations for racial dispute. Baseball fans and authorities in many places think, �isn�t the problem that they look down on Korea?�
Also, there are linked actions to some of the Korean fans who were quiet during the trespasses of the foreign spectators. In the early days of professional baseball drunken fans often ran onto the field. But now that going to the ballgame is a family affair, foul behavior from spectators has largely disappeared. Even so, this year, with baseball fever running high, foreign spectators have begun to run onto the field and Korean fans are even supporting them.
On April 19th at the Jamsil Baseball Stadium in Seoul, during a game between Doosan and SK, one drunken foreign man ran onto the field, and was apprehended by a guard while making himself at home between the bases. During a game on the 10th at Daejeon Baseball Stadium, a foreign man was apprehended after running onto the field and sliding into home plate.
Starting with foreigners running onto the field, now Korean fans are doing it too. On the 11th, with the second-highest crowds in the history of the KBO packed into stadiums in Jamsil (Doosan�Lotte) and Daegu (Hanwha�LG), spectators ran onto the field at the same time. Then on April 29th, at Sajik Stadium, in a game between Lotte and LG, two dead-drunk fans jumped over the outfield fence and onto the field. One of them hurt his leg and was carried off on a stretcher.
There must be strong policies put in place against foreign spectators who run onto the field, agitating not only Korean spectators but also families who�ve gone to watch the game. Active, fair, strong policies are needed such as creating a blacklist that would bar them from entry to baseball stadiums. There is no way that these one-time happenings should ruin things for the athletes and the children � the future fans of baseball.
In recent years many more foreign fans have been coming out to baseball stadiums across the country on the weekend. Not a few of them have been the kind of person to get drunk and run onto the field and act like idiots, shouting at the top of their lungs. With strong punishments in place the baseball park can be a safe and fun place for families on the weekend.
The Korean Baseball Organization, its 8 member teams and the police should quickly put policies in place.~www.koreabeat.com |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'm confused. The writer says that these actions are agitating the fans, but also says that the fans seem to encourage the behavior. Also, I wonder how he knows who is drunk and who is not. Strange article. He should have just stuck to insisting that people (foreign or Korean) should not run onto the field and if they do, there should be real punishment.
I don't know about hating Korea, but running on the field does show a lack of respect and etiquette. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Back in the day, you had to bring your own beer (or soju, squid and a hardboiled egg) in from outside the stadium at LG Twins and Doosan Bears games. Think maybe there is a connection between guys running around like fools and on-site liquor sales with guys carrying pony kegs of OB Lager on their backs in the stands selling cups of draft beer for W3,000? They're pushing alcohol on the stands and then blaming the customers when they get out of hand. Big deal. Maybe their security guards need to pay more attention.
Maybe the game is boring.
The Korean baseball players clearly lack "playing skills."
They have clearly done something to alienate the foreign male baseball fans.
Somebody should check their baseball playing licences and maybe do a drug test on some of them.
Those big, bad baseball players use their muscles and prestige to steal our women!
You have to understand the plight of the foreign baseball fan, you don't understand how competitive it is for them when are young.
That is why they act up.
Anyway, it's just as bad where you come from.
It's no different in any other country.
Maybe you Koreans should just leave if you don't like it!
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| White man is like dog in circus. Knows many tricks. All designed to hurt Korean National Pride. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Well come on. Do you really think hyper-conservative, non individualistic Korea is the best place to do this ?
Americans , sometimes I lose sympathy with you when everyone hates you. You do it to yourselves. |
Should the point be made some of the that pitch invaders were Canadian? Nah, best not to. |
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Outragous Foreigner Runs On Baseball Field |
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Wow, how did I miss this great line in the article? And why hasn't anyone else mentioned it?
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| First of all, a physical punishment cannot be ruled out, and second there can be a fine or jail time. |
He's not talking about mere physical incarceration, as he covers that later with "jail time", and he can't be suggesting some goofy sort of "foreigner's house arrest". Doesn't seem to be any way around it, he's calling for state-administered beatings. Wonder if he's thinking whip or cane... |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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But it's an American game! And goofballs streaking across the field is wholly international. The guy wasn't even naked! What's the big deal?
If they really want to be so pro-Korean all the time they should start televising people playing starcraft while wearing hanbok and ignoring their wives. Oh, wait, no, Starcraft is american too. Um...sseurim, maybe? Taekwon do?
Really, rabid ubernationalism from people who love golf and baseball is a little hypocritical, no?
It's almost as dumb as Americans blathering on about apple pie and baseball when the apples are picked by mexicans and the best ball players are Dominican. |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Outragous Foreigner Runs On Baseball Field: He Hates Kor |
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The anti-Americanism seems to be reaching new highs...
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There are various ill effects from the trespasses of these baseball fans, who seem to be mostly American. They could even lay the foundations for racial dispute. Baseball fans and authorities in many places think, �isn�t the problem that they look down on Korea?� |
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This was the reason I posted this. Why would Koreans assume that drunkenly running out on a field has anything to do with what said drunken-field runner thinks of Korea? Why do people have to be so sensitive. Scores of people run on to my beloved (and soon to be flattened) house that Ruth built every season, but it would be absurd to conclude that that look down on New York, or America. Maybe they look down on the Yankees, but that just proves their stupidity.
I've watched a couple of K-baseball games, (on TV) and I was amazingly disappointed at the level of play. They made mistakes that we learned not to do in Elementary school. I saw a 'professional' K-ball player slide into first!!! The first rule of kindergarten tee ball is don't slide into first. Anyway, just wanted to point out what I saw as the biggest absurdity about this article. |
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Chris Kwon
Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Can't stand baseball anymore, only reason to go is for the cheerleaders sadly! |
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cazzy3
Joined: 07 May 2008
Location: kangwon-do
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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good point wannamin...it has nothing to do w/ disrespect to the country, but just some guy wanted the attention of either being seen on tv, or just acting like a drunk fool. either way..so be it.
if it's becoming such a disgraceful act to k-league baseball I'm sure they can make some announcement prior to the game and let the people know they'll be severely punished for coming onto the playing field.
i'm sure most of the people who witnessed it either found a bit of humor in the act, or just chalked it up to another drunk foreigner making a fool of himself. i highly doubt they're worried that their children will forever be scarred from attending a live sporting event. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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"They all initiate sex with you every time."
Foreign men are rapists? |
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WoBW
Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: HBC
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Outragous Foreigner Runs On Baseball Field: He Hates Kor |
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The first rule of kindergarten tee ball is don't slide into first. |
Why?
No, seriously. I'm a Brit and I don't know baseball at all. I'm genuinely interested.
Why? |
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cazzy3
Joined: 07 May 2008
Location: kangwon-do
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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you're allowed to run past first base and not be tagged out by the first baseman. if you slide into first base, it slows you down and thus is much quicker to just run 'through' the bag.
the only time you would slide into first would be to avoid a tag by either the pitcher or first baseman.
running to first base in baseball is sort of like cricket when you're running from each wickets except you can't run w/ the bat!! |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: Outragous Foreigner Runs On Baseball Field |
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| JongnoGuru wrote: |
Wow, how did I miss this great line in the article? And why hasn't anyone else mentioned it?
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| First of all, a physical punishment cannot be ruled out, and second there can be a fine or jail time. |
He's not talking about mere physical incarceration, as he covers that later with "jail time", and he can't be suggesting some goofy sort of "foreigner's house arrest". Doesn't seem to be any way around it, he's calling for state-administered beatings. Wonder if he's thinking whip or cane... |
Probably pelting the perpetrator with beer cans and coins.
Next time, whatever country you are from, please write on your chest 'I "heart" Korea' before invading the pitch. This includes you ladies! |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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They should post snipers on the roof of every stadium.
That way the offendor could quickly be eliminated and the game could continue. |
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