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jim_we
Joined: 06 May 2004
Location: Korea
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Someone who would commit suicide because of an internet romance, isn't wrapped too tight to begin with. They'd have found another reason to kill themself. Tough world!  |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:12 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Gopher. The woman may have 'had no way to know the girl would commit suicide,' but she did know that she would inflict a lot of pain on a young teenager by doing what she did. Like Gopher, I think that cultivating a (fake) romance over a few weeks was a really sick thing to do. A cyber romance is not a trivial version of a face to face love affair, it can be just as powerful as one carried out in the traditional way. Thousands of people meet and fall in love this way in the 21st century, feeling all the love and passion that might have come if they had met in 'the real world.' So this was a revolting thing to do to a child. Then she 'broke up' with the girl in a way calculated to cause much pain.
Imagine you are a teenager and the person you have fallen in love with, and who has acted as your friend lover and admirer, suddenly turns around and tells you - not only that they are going to terminate this precious relationship but that - 'the world would be a better place without you.' You would be absolutely devastated. Any normal person would guess that this would cause immense pain and distress. Even a mature adult would likely feel terrible distress, yet we are talking about a child.
So it is not just a case of 'lying on the internet' or telling someone flippantly to 'drop dead.' It was a long drawn out and deliberately calculated act. Calculated to wound and hurt. And not done by another silly teenager, but done by a mother! As a mother, I do not know how someone could do this to another's child.
I'm not saying she should be prosecuted for murder, because of course this was probably not her intent, but she should be prosecuted for something. She deliberatly deceived over a significant period with the intention to cause psychological harm to a minor. If there is not a law against that, there should be. |
I agree with Gopher, too, that it was criminal, or at least distasteful, in spirit, but not in the letter of the law.
I take issue with your characterization of the girl as a "child." Even by a liberal definition of that word, she was several years beyond childhood.
Her intent was not to murder the girl, but rather to get information about her own daughter.
I just see this knee-jerk reaction of "Lock 'em up!" to just about anything that offends one. America already has the highest incarceration rate in the world. People falsely say "I love you" about a million times a day. This girl is not the first to commit suicide over a spurned lover, but I know of no other case where the ex was prosecuted for murder because of it. This is absurd. |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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I can't be bothered to read all that shit above.
You're all a bunch of fat lonely ESL poofs.
Get over it and move on. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Careful, Gopher, you're treading on thin ice here. |
Bacasper, the world would be a better place without you. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Big_Bird wrote: |
I agree with Gopher. The woman may have 'had no way to know the girl would commit suicide,' but she did know that she would inflict a lot of pain on a young teenager by doing what she did. Like Gopher, I think that cultivating a (fake) romance over a few weeks was a really sick thing to do. A cyber romance is not a trivial version of a face to face love affair, it can be just as powerful as one carried out in the traditional way. Thousands of people meet and fall in love this way in the 21st century, feeling all the love and passion that might have come if they had met in 'the real world.' So this was a revolting thing to do to a child. Then she 'broke up' with the girl in a way calculated to cause much pain.
Imagine you are a teenager and the person you have fallen in love with, and who has acted as your friend lover and admirer, suddenly turns around and tells you - not only that they are going to terminate this precious relationship but that - 'the world would be a better place without you.' You would be absolutely devastated. Any normal person would guess that this would cause immense pain and distress. Even a mature adult would likely feel terrible distress, yet we are talking about a child.
So it is not just a case of 'lying on the internet' or telling someone flippantly to 'drop dead.' It was a long drawn out and deliberately calculated act. Calculated to wound and hurt. And not done by another silly teenager, but done by a mother! As a mother, I do not know how someone could do this to another's child.
I'm not saying she should be prosecuted for murder, because of course this was probably not her intent, but she should be prosecuted for something. She deliberatly deceived over a significant period with the intention to cause psychological harm to a minor. If there is not a law against that, there should be. |
I agree with Gopher, too, that it was criminal, or at least distasteful, in spirit, but not in the letter of the law.
I take issue with your characterization of the girl as a "child." Even by a liberal definition of that word, she was several years beyond childhood.
Her intent was not to murder the girl, but rather to get information about her own daughter.
I just see this knee-jerk reaction of "Lock 'em up!" to just about anything that offends one. America already has the highest incarceration rate in the world. People falsely say "I love you" about a million times a day. This girl is not the first to commit suicide over a spurned lover, but I know of no other case where the ex was prosecuted for murder because of it. This is absurd. |
You are telling me that a thirteen year old girl is not a child? She was born in 1992 and died in 2006, sometime before her forteenth birthday. As I understand it, one legally remains a child until their eighteenth birthday.
She was preyed upon by an adult woman, who chose to deceptively forge an emotional relationship with her, and then intentionally cause her great emotional harm. You yourself seem to think this is 'criminal.'
As for your reading comprehension, it appears somewhat lacking. I have already stated that she shouldn't be prosecuted for the death itself, as this was more than likely not her intent. But she should be prosecuted in some other way.
As for your 'lock 'em up' nonsense, this is not my view at all. Even in the UK, I believe far too many people are in prison. You jump to too many assumptions, and do not read closely. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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Internet Brings out the Worst in People
Yeah, it's pretty amazing really what tools some fools can be online.
Strangely enough, some of them act like (are?) normal, nice people away from the computer. |
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chriswylson
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| You really do act normal away from the computer, Jajdude? Not sure about that.... |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| chriswylson wrote: |
| You really do act normal away from the computer, Jajdude? Not sure about that.... |
Ah, Chris, as I told you before man, I'm just not interested in swinging that way, y'know, maybe you can find a nice Korean guy? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Careful, Gopher, you're treading on thin ice here. |
Bacasper, the world would be a better place without you. |
Good news for you, Gopher: There is treatment for micropenis! |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| I'm highly impressed. A thread that seeks to discuss ethical behavior on the internet needs only 2 pages to devolve into penis insults. Where else, but at Dave's ESL Cafe? |
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big_blue_21
Joined: 02 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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there is!!!!  |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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You forget that teenagers are not Human.. Any one that commits suicide doesn't deserve pity. Suicide is the cowards way out of life...
Why deal with life or problems in it. Let's just off myself... |
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