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A story so disturbingly Korean....
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Lawrence



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you weatherman and kiwi. I can't help some of the others. To
understand this slightly complex series of events requires some perspective, reasoning ability, and life experience. The Korean part:

a) The workers' mercenary attitude, and apparent ignorance at rushing
in to the world's number one hot spot FOR MONEY ALONE AND WITH
THE FEELING THAT NOBODY WOULD HARM A KOREAN.

b) The willingness of the entire group to quit at the first bad result (when
all others have stayed) and BREAK A VITAL CONTRACT thus setting
back the overall effort.

c) The Korean managers disregard for established security standards
that other international workers are afforded. The easy willingness
they have to @#$% their own.

d) Abducting, throwing food, and crying when it all goes south....

e) There is obviously more, if you passed Mrs. Hendick's first grade
reading class then it is all there to enjoy and consider. If you didn't,
you can always get work in Kwangju..

But the kicker is the contrast this provides to the 50 PLUS YEARS
OF COMMITMENT THE US HAS MADE TO SOUTH KOREA. WE WOULD
NOT BE HERE TODAY (teachers) , NONE OF US, IF THE US FOLLOWED THIS PATHETIC EXAMPLE AND CUT & RAN ... It is
amazing to me that Sec. Rumsfeld even spent the time to come here
to ask for the participation of Korea.


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Lawrence



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS The article was written by a Korean.
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Dan



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Sunny Glendale, CA

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hehe, the last couple of paragraphs were funny in a sick way
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lawrence you make me angry, sad, and amused all at the same time.

If you're talking about the 'typical korean' behaviour of the mangers- I see what you mean now. But if you're still trying to say that the workers shouldn't have quit I think it's you who needs some perspective. Are you incapable of seeing the difference between civilian contractors and army personnel?

Imagine you accept a teaching contract in what you're told is a safe area of New Zealand, but within your first couple of weeks there 2 of your fellow teachers are shot by guerillas. Would you stay around because NZ helped out America in the Vietnam war, or you felt some compulsion that you'd be letting the side down by quitting?
I'd be on the first plane out of there.

BTW the letter writing has been a part of korean culture for a long time. If someone makes a mistake they have to put it in writing before they're forgiven so that they can't deny it later.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote:
What is Korean about it is the bosses lack of concern for their workers safety, and secondly, the way the bosses were 'shamed'.


Bosses always have other bosses, it seems that manager that is in the photo wasn't calling all the shots, the guys above him probably were.

At least he felt shamed...you think Americans who are currently exploiting the 3rd world labor market are "shamed"? Or are those who buy Nike shoes, made by child labors "shamed"?

I find the generalization too negative and too narrow. There are plenty of things to bash Koreans about - this particular incident shouldn't be one of them.
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Lawrence



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swiss,
Before taking that hypothetical job in New Zealand, I would do a little
research on where I was going, conditions, etc. The net makes that
easy, doesn't it? Those workers arrived Nov. 11. In today's paper,
one of the victim's daughters says "Roh should insure the gunmen who killed her father should be brought to justice.." Don't hold your breath.
Actually, the US Army is already after the gunmen. That's what allies do.....
I realize alot of this is advanced thinking for this board.
As I said in the beginning, some people are amused by this kind of thing. To me ,all so predictable, like ajummas on the subway.
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Len8



Joined: 12 Feb 2003
Location: Kyungju

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their paye was sure low for their jobs. The korean army volunteers are payed 100 times what they would have been earning in Korea. The ggrunts or those soldiers doing their mandatory two year thing who were lucky to get a posting over there are earning W1,700,000 a month.

Bechtel engineers get $1,500 a day, and they're in Basara. I'd say the employees of that company were really getting ripped off.
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matthewwoodford



Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

weatherman wrote:
The problem is that the Koreans quit so easily. Americans are taking on death daily, and nobody is running around screaming for more money and kidnaping their bosses.


You have to be kidding. The Americans are soldiers, they sign up for this. If any other American workers are out there sticking to it when their co-workers are getting killed then the question I'd ask is what sane reason they could possibly have.

Matt
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Butterfly



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lawrence wrote:

a) The workers' mercenary attitude, and apparent ignorance at rushing
in to the world's number one hot spot FOR MONEY ALONE AND WITH
THE FEELING THAT NOBODY WOULD HARM A KOREAN.


Koreans have no historical beef with Iraqis. They were promised safety. It wasn't very much money, not much more than they would likely earn in Korea.

Lawrence wrote:

b) The willingness of the entire group to quit at the first bad result (when
all others have stayed) and BREAK A VITAL CONTRACT thus setting
back the overall effort.


Having two colleagues murdered is a pretty big bad first result. Screw the overall effort when it comes to personal safety. Iraq has electrical specialists doesn't it?

Lawrence wrote:

c) The Korean managers disregard for established security standards
that other international workers are afforded. The easy willingness
they have to @#$% their own.


I think Mr. Pink mentioned Nike. Big business globally has no conscience.

Lawrence wrote:

d) Abducting, throwing food, and crying when it all goes south....


Ever been to a war zone Lawrence? Word is it's pretty stressful.

Lawrence wrote:

e) There is obviously more, if you passed Mrs. Hendick's first grade
reading class then it is all there to enjoy and consider. If you didn't,
you can always get work in Kwangju..


Are you implying that other posters aren't as smart as you Lawrence, who recently advocated that foreigners should physically attack abusive people on subway trains. Laughing

Lawrence wrote:

But the kicker is the contrast this provides to the 50 PLUS YEARS
OF COMMITMENT THE US HAS MADE TO SOUTH KOREA. WE WOULD
NOT BE HERE TODAY (teachers) , NONE OF US, IF THE US FOLLOWED THIS PATHETIC EXAMPLE AND CUT & RAN ... It is
amazing to me that Sec. Rumsfeld even spent the time to come here
to ask for the participation of Korea.


They were electricians not soldiers. The Korean soldiers are going as planned and as requested by Rummy.
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raytownloc



Joined: 23 Jun 2003
Location: Changwon

PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were one of the Korean engineers I would have done the same thing.

In fact when I read the article I was happy that those Koreans decided to get the hell out of there. They stood up for themselves and their rights in a way I thought was very unKoreanlike (if that is a word).

Plus who cares about "the overall effort"? What is the overall effort anyways? Is it to get the Iraqi oil pipeline up and running so we can offset the cost of "liberating" the Iraqi people?
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