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A McCain Presidency just became a little more possible
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I do not believe I will take the Obama campaign's word -- or any other campaign's word, for that matter -- at face-value on anything.


Well, here it is from CNN...

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JAKARTA, Indonesia (CNN) -- Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a "madrassa" are not accurate, according to CNN reporting.

Insight Magazine, which is owned by the same company as The Washington Times, reported on its Web site last week that associates of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-New York, had unearthed information the Illinois Democrat and likely presidential candidate attended a Muslim religious school known for teaching the most fundamentalist form of Islam.

Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school, but an aide said it was not a madrassa. (Watch video of Obama's school )

Insight attributed the information in its article to an unnamed source, who said it was discovered by "researchers connected to Senator Clinton." A spokesman for Clinton, who is also weighing a White House bid, denied that the campaign was the source of the Obama claim.

He called the story "an obvious right-wing hit job."

Insight stood by its story in a response posted on its Web site Monday afternoon.

The Insight article was cited several times Friday on Fox News and was also referenced by the New York Post, The Glenn Beck program on CNN Headline News and a number of political blogs.


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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see people referencing the allegations (I already knew about them; old news). But I do not see any conclusive evidence attributing them to "conservatives." I see speculation that the Clinton campaign started them (and I see the Clinton campaign's denial, attributing it, predictably, to "a right-wing nut job").

And I do not see any solid evidence on chain emails originating with "the conservatives," either.

As I said, above, hard to make sense about what is really going on, what is really being said, and who, exactly is saying it, these days. All we really know is, if all is fair in love and war, it seems to be quite worse in politics. And "Grampa McGrumpy," coming from people supposedly committed to eliminating discrimination, seems to confirm this.
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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That will not fly. "Grampa McGrumpy" is not analogous to making jokes about Mick and Keith's hypothetically becoming spokesmen for Ben Gay. "Grampa McGrumpy" is part of the hypocritical left's mean-spirited attacks against McCain, not based on anything more than his age, in an effort to discredit him in the voters' eyes.


I admit that I would not be overly impressed if Obama started making cracks about "Grampa McGrumpy" on the campaign trail. But I think that kind of humour that can depend on context. In private conversation, I wouldn't find it offensive, nor on a message board. It's kind of like obscene language in that way, I guess.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not offended, either. I merely find it mean-spirited (not mere humor, given its source, on this thread) and inconsistent with the liberals' calls to end unfair discrimination.

In any case, maybe the campaign season is too long. Technological and communications changes might allow for a shorter election year, with less time for such nonsense as the madrasa story and talking-head after talking-head opining on the election every single day for months without end.

Let us vote, already. Most people know how they will vote and will not likely change. The only thing that could possibly change my vote, which will almost certainly be both for McCain and against Obama (two different motives), is Richardson's meaningful inclusion on the Obama ticket.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
I see people referencing the allegations (I already knew about them; old news). But I do not see any conclusive evidence attributing them to "conservatives." I see speculation that the Clinton campaign started them (and I see the Clinton campaign's denial, attributing it, predictably, to "a right-wing nut job").

And I do not see any solid evidence on chain emails originating with "the conservatives," either.

As I said, above, hard to make sense about what is really going on, what is really being said, and who, exactly is saying it, these days. All we really know is, if all is fair in love and war, it seems to be quite worse in politics. And "Grampa McGrumpy," coming from people supposedly committed to eliminating discrimination, seems to confirm this.


Denial is deep in those neocon roots.

And I'm sure you were just outraged about the "rumors" about McCain in 2000 by Bush and the 2004 Swift Boating of Kerry. Grampa McGrumpy is probably the worst thing I'd call him.

By the way, McCain is indeed a "grampa".

(source:http://www.johnmccain.com/About/)
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 7:54 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

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I will ask Congress to grant me the privilege of coming before both houses to take questions, and address criticism, much the same as the Prime Minister of Great Britain appears regularly before the House of Commons.


I actually like that.


If the liberals mission is to end all forms of discrimination, what's the GOP line on discrimination?



Kuros,

Can I just check in here? You were the one saying everyone's gonna unite behind Obama, right?
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Denial is deep in those neocon roots.


Whose "neocon roots?"
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