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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:57 am Post subject: On My Switch From Clinton to Obama |
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This was an interesting read. Senator Bayh would be a good choice for VP, though I'm not sure about lose two senators if they were to win in November. It will be interesting to see the reaction given how Governor Richardson was portrayed.
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On My Switch From Clinton to Obama
By Joseph Andrew
I have been inspired.
Today I am announcing my support for Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States of America. I am changing my support from Senator Clinton to Senator Obama, and calling for my fellow Democrats across my home State of Indiana, and my fellow super delegates across the nation, to heal the rift in our Party and unite behind Barack Obama.
The hardest decisions in life are not between good and bad or right and wrong, but between two goods or two rights. That is the decision Democrats face today. We have an embarrassment of riches, but as much as we may love our candidates and revel in the political process that has brought Presidential politics to places that have not seen it in a generation, we cannot let our family affair hurt America by helping John McCain.
Here is my message, explained in this lengthy letter that I hope is perceived as a thoughtful analysis of how to save America from four more years of the misguided polices of the past: you can be for someone without being against someone else. You can unite behind a candidate and a vision for America without rejecting another candidate and their vision, because in real life, opposed to party politics, we Democrats are on the same side. The battle should not be amongst ourselves. Rather, we should focus our efforts on those who are truly on the opposite side: those who want to continue the failed policies of the last eight years, rather than bring real change to Washington. Let us come together right now behind an inspiring leader who not only has the audacity to challenge the old divisive politics, but the audacity to make us all hope for a better America.
Unite the Party Now
I believe that Bill Clinton will be remembered as one of our nation's great Presidents, and Senator Clinton as one of our nation's great public servants. But as much as I respect and admire them both, it is clear that a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote to continue this process, and a vote to continue this process is a vote that assists John McCain.
I ask Hoosiers to come together and vote for Barack Obama to be our next President. In an accident of timing, Indiana has been given the opportunity to truly make a difference. Hoosiers should grab that power and do what in their heart they know is right. They should reject the old negative politics and vote for true change. Don't settle for the tried and true and the simplistic slogans, but listen to your heart and dare to be inspired. Only a cynic would be critical of Barack Obama inspiring millions. Only the uninformed could forget that the candidate that wins in November is always the candidate that inspires millions.
I ask the leaders of our Party to come together after this Tuesday's primary to heal wounds and unite us around a single nominee. While I was hopeful that a long, contested primary season would invigorate our Party, the polls show that the tone and temperature of the race is now hurting us. John McCain, without doing much of anything, is now competitive against both of our remaining candidates. We are doing his work for him and distracting Americans from the issues that really affect all of our lives.
We need to be talking about fixing the economy, not whose acquaintances once said what to whom. We need to be talking about stopping the attacks in Iraq, not stopping the attacks in Indiana. We need to be talking about policy, not politics.
Barack Obama is the Right Candidate for Right Now
While I am a longtime critic of our Party's rules that created so-called super delegates, we have the rules we have and we must live with them. I am humbled and honored to be a super delegate, and I understand the seriousness of the duty it entails. I recognize that this is a difficult decision for super delegates like me, who owe so much to President Bill Clinton. It is right to be loyal, to be grateful and to be consistent. But it is also right to acknowledge the inevitability of change, right to dare to dream for a better world, and right to know what in your heart is the right thing for the future even if your friends and family disagree. Good things, just like good people, can disagree. But as Democrats, we must disagree with dignity, debate with admiration of each other, and in the end, go forward with mutual respect.
President Clinton and Vice President Gore gave me the opportunity to serve as the Chair of the Democratic Party. I pledged my loyalty to them, and I will never forget Al Gore putting ego aside, gently demurring, and simply asking me to put our country ahead of politics. It is a lesson I will remember forever, and it is what guides me now in this decision. What is best for our Party and our country is not blind loyalty, but passionate support for the candidate who can best correct the misguided policies of the last eight years.
We need a candidate who will re-invigorate the economy and keep good jobs here in America. We need a candidate who will end the war in Iraq. We need a candidate who will provide health coverage for our 45 million uninsured neighbors. We need a candidate who will end our addiction to high-priced foreign oil by investing in renewable energy here at home.
That candidate is Barack Obama.
What was best for America sixteen years ago was electing Bill Clinton. What would have been best for America eight years ago was not only electing Al Gore, which we did, but allowing him to serve as President of the United States. Imagine how the world would be different if Al Gore and not George Bush, would have been President of the United States. Let's seize the opportunity and vote for someone who like Al Gore, was against the war from the beginning, and who brings a new energy, a new excitement, and a new politics to our country.
Let's put things right. |
The rest of it is here:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/on_my_switch_from_clinton_to_o.html |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:31 am Post subject: |
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I read the article earlier today. He's not the first to have said just this very thing.
I think he's being way too polite, actually. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| I think having Hillary Clinton might be getting more of the same, a recycling of the old. I am not very confident the rank-and-file will choose Obama. I personally think he seems to be more in touch with those of poverty. He seems more down-to-Earth in certain ways, and I am not interested in someone who claims that when she was in the Balkans her plane was being targeted when that is a blatant lie. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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I think he's being way too polite, actually. |
And you think that coming out aggressively against Hillary would have any benefits at all?
*shakes head*
I think its time for the party to unite around the lesser good, as well. I say that without irony. Obama is nearly as good as Hillary, and Hillary simply does not have the numbers to win.
Of course, the best candidates were knocked out months ago, but that's another story . . . |
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kabrams

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Location: your Dad's house
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
I think he's being way too polite, actually. |
And you think that coming out aggressively against Hillary would have any benefits at all?
*shakes head*
I think its time for the party to unite around the lesser good, as well. I say that without irony. Obama is nearly as good as Hillary, and Hillary simply does not have the numbers to win.
Of course, the best candidates were knocked out months ago, but that's another story . . . |
I agree. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I am not interested in someone who claims that when she was in the Balkans her plane was being targeted when that is a blatant lie. |
Yeah, I think she really cooked her goose when she said that. It was a major turn off to me and I am now supporting McCain instead. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| It was a major turn off to me and I am now supporting McCain instead. |
I don't understand this. How can someone go from Hillary all the way over to McCain without batting an eye. That's exactly like saying that a candidate's past record and present position on issues of the day make no difference at all to your decision on whether to vote for them or not.
Any help here? |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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I think that most yanks would have a hard time understanding it. I grew up in Australia where people change political parties much more than what people in the states probably do. Most yanks seem to like to be affiliated to one party it seems.
I supported John Howard and the liberal party early in his prime ministership and then I changed to the labour party after Howard turned into an ass.
I thought that Clinton's policies were quite sound and that if she became the president, she would have surrounded herself by some pretty able people which is a huge plus. Also the fact that she isn't too much of a pushover with the Muslims. At the time she said it, I was saying "the only time you hear sniper fire is when you are either lucky enough that they miss and you hear the bullet wizz past or when you look over and see someone's head split into multiple parts and fly everywhere".
I like McCain because he is an old war horse that would like nothing better than to bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran. I am going to try and get US citizenship a bit later on, and if I was a citizen already, I wouldn't vote for him because I think he will make the US economy drop a bit more due to the financial burden that another war will have on the already hurt US economy. On the other hand, I like the idea of him doing that and making sure that the extremists aren't able to do much in the next decade.
In short, I won't have to weather the problems after him getting in, so I am ok with him being the next president since Clinton proved to be a big fat liar. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| I won't have to weather the problems after him getting in, so I am ok with him being the next president. |
Sounds like a good argument for why non-Americans are not allowed to vote ... and also, incidentlally why the opinions of such about an American election are, well, not really to be trusted I guess.
Don't take me wrong. You seem to be saying that you'd support someone who would be bad for America - because you are not an American ... can you imagine why that might amuse some of us? I mean, the notion that such an opinion would be worth listening to, that is. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: |
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People with more riding on it would surely have a different opinion. I want to see the world ridden of Muslim extremists. I prefer to pay less taxes and see the hard work done out of someone else's taxes. For America, it is the way it has and probably always will be.
I thought before that Hillary would have been good for everyone and more importantly, for that mess you fellas call a health system. After she proved herself to be full of crap, I would prefer ol' bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran.
Sorry if you don't like hearing that I prefer a person that isn't as good for the US as they are for me. The problem is that we all kind of have an interest in what happens in the US elections given the amount of benefits/changes that can happen. As long as your country is the lone super power, it's just the way it goes. |
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bookemdanno

Joined: 30 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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MilwaukieDave:
While I agree with much of what he said I also think it's a rehash.
One assessment I don't buy, however, is this:
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| I believe that Bill Clinton will be remembered as one of our nation's great Presidents, and Senator Clinton as one of our nation's great public servants. |
Clinton will do down as a strong president on domestic policy, although he was spurred on to welfare reform my the new Republican majority, but a weak president on foreign policy with perhaps the exception of the execution of the war in Kosovo. And as for his personal integrity, well, need we go there?
Hillary I do not believe will be characterized as "great" except by feminist historians. To be great one must overcome divisive politics, which she never has. Also, her personal integrity doesn't begin to pass muster compared to her idol, Eleanor Roosevelt. And we have yet to hear the other shoe drop in the matter of those White House files. |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| bjonothan wrote: |
| Sorry if you don't like hearing that I prefer a person that isn't as good for the US as they are for me. The problem is that we all kind of have an interest in what happens in the US elections given the amount of benefits/changes that can happen. As long as your country is the lone super power, it's just the way it goes. |
You are welcome to accept The Bobster's invitation to become a superpower at the next available opportunity. If we weren't spending such a large share of our taxes and GNP on nuclear weapons and a navy that can strike anywhere in the world perhaps we'd have money to spend for universal health care cradle to grave and education to any level one can demonstrate aptitude at no cost. I'd like that for my country, but every country I see that has anything close to it has a very small military, like yours does.
And I know you are provoking me, but I have to point out the obvious. "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" is not going to rid the world of muslim extremists, any more than invading Iraq did - it will create more of them, then some more, and then even more than that. Just like invading Iraq did.
bookemdanno
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| Hillary I do not believe will be characterized as "great" except by feminist historians. |
Honestly, I doubt they will, either, unless she wins, and unless she does something worthwhile after winning. She's not going to win, though. I don't see her even getting the nomination, really. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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Bobster, I had never thought about it that way. I guess it is kind of like the old robbing Peter to pay Paul scenario.
Also, I wasn't trying to provoke you. I seriously hope that's what McCain does. By bombing them, it puts them way back and the extremists aren't likely to become a threat with anything other than small arms for the next 20 years or so.
I have a lot of concerns for you fellas in the next few years Bobster. I am not at all optimistic about the direction that the US is going in. I hope that they weather the whole thing well, but I am not so sure short term. I think that we have probably had it too good in our lives and that this might be the reminder of what could be. And how reliant we have always been on the US.
Who are you hoping wins the next election anyway Bobster? |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Could the reason for your switch the fact that she couldn't win? If that's the case you better join me in supporting McCain.  |
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The Bobster

Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| bjonothan wrote: |
| Who are you hoping wins the next election anyway Bobster? |
Obama. |
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