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Fear and secrecy keep mass killings in S. Koreunder wraps
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PBRstreetgang21



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh ok.

Thanks for the update I can finally clear some space on my bookshelf and make way for new and more pro-American texts.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mateomiguel wrote:
PBRstreetgang21 wrote:
What I dont understand is why this is news. People have know for DECADES about the US quashing of the Yeosu rebellion and the massacre at Jeju. The US supporting and at times even encouraging such blood letting in S Korea shouldnt be a shock or news-- its old hat and its history. Anyone who thinks that the relationship between S Korea and the US has been the US give give give and Korea take take take obviously hasnt been reading theirs. The US commited A LOT of atrocities in S Korea just before and during the war. The fact of the matter is that while history may have judged the US right on forcing capitalisism and later "allowing" democracy, despite the fact that we were more than happy to prop up assholes like Chun Doo Hwan, and take sides againtst the heroes at Gwangju, is deluding themselves.

While I would say on the whole the relationship with the US has been very beneficial to S Korea, but it has not been a rose garden of wonder and sweetness, and that is Cows and Schoolgirls aside. The fact is, the US has shit to answer for in Korea, and none of is a secret, its just not discussed.

And to say that Koreans in no way took responsibility for their own hand in the atrocities wreaked on this country is to ignore the fact that they did just that when they went toe to toe with former Presidents Hwan and Roh (Tae-woo). The difference is America doesnt like to cop to its faults and misdeeds.


I checked, and both everything you stated and implied in this post is wrong. At least you're consistent though.


Odd, because I think a lot of what he said was valid.

What parts were wrong?
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nicholas_chiasson



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that Korean War Movie? Tae Guk Gi? Didn't it mention the reprisals and killings of Koreans by the South with no mention of it having anything to do with the Americans(in fact the whole movie made no mention of UN forces in K-War). So I think to argue that most koreans are not aware of this, or blame it on the US, is silly.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's baffling how some people can hear that thousands of people died fifty years ago and jump to the conclusion that it's going to become anti-foreigner propaganda.

I don't think the article states that only the Americans are to blame. In fact, I don't think that Koreans would ever admit to the Americans having had that much influence in their country's affairs at the time.

According to their account, the South Koreans alone drove the Japanese out of Korea, and protected their freedom from the North. The Americans played a small role... that way, Koreans don't have to admit the whole war is a result of a single American soldier drawing a straight line across the 38th parallel and saying to some Russians 'you take the top, we'll take the bottom'.

They've even covered up the fact that they were basically under foreign control to the extent that history textbooks teach that Kim Il-Sung was a Japanese sympathizer, when in reality he was popular in the North for using geurilla tactics AGAINST the Japanese... which is why Stalin personally chose him to lead the Soviet-styled Korea.

So this is one example of Korean nationalism working to help protect the reputation of the Americans... even when it shouldn't be in this case. They can't defer the blame for the genocide without admitting that their role in the war or the events that shaped their country today weren't what they've made them out to be.


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PBRstreetgang21



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The suprise in not in North and South killing eachother, the "suprise" not that is should be, being as old as it is--- is that the South Korean and US governments were hunting and killing the very people they were supposed to be protecting.

The rational in the eyes of the US and the government led by Syngman Rhee (and old man who for all intents and purposes had about as much autonomy from the US government as Vichy did from Hitler, no offense to Rhee's Austrian wife there) was that the previous government of South Korea, post Japanese exit and pre-US led elections, was too friendly to left wing sympathizers and communists. Therefore those who would not submit to a "democratic government" that had about as much democracy and autonomy as 1960s Cuba, needed to be "dealt with" so to speak.

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South Korean military, police and paramilitary forces, often with U.S. military knowledge and without trial, executed in turn tens of thousands of leftist inmates and alleged communist sympathizers in the incidents such as the massacre of the political prisoners from the Daejeon Prison and the bloody crackdown on the Cheju Uprising.[62]


Thats from Wikipedia.

more in relation to today from Yahoo/AP

This article relates to the thread topic, but ask youself, "why have pictures and evidence from these graves been laguishing in US hands for all these years so quietly?"



The Washington Post

Korea Journal


You cant expect me to scan pages from actual books and post text after text but if you want a good start try "Korea's Place in the Sun" by University of Chicago Professor Bruce Cummings.
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Lekker



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicholas_chiasson wrote:
Remember that Korean War Movie? Tae Guk Gi? Didn't it mention the reprisals and killings of Koreans by the South with no mention of it having anything to do with the Americans(in fact the whole movie made no mention of UN forces in K-War). So I think to argue that most koreans are not aware of this, or blame it on the US, is silly.


I specifically remember a scene where one of the main characters in that film was walking towards the screen, but the scene started off with a white dude in military uniform with some kind of document in hand getting out of a jeep and walking up some steps.

I also recall a scene where one of the brothers had a Hershey's bar and he was trying to get his younger brother to chill out. I think he said something like "I can get more of these from them," then he waved the Hershey's bar in his brother's face? I wonder who "them" was?

It's been a while since I saw that film.
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ESL Milk "Everyday



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PBRstreetgang21 wrote:

This article relates to the thread topic, but ask youself, "why have pictures and evidence from these graves been laguishing in US hands for all these years so quietly?


Probably because they can do less damage now than they would have if they had been released at the time.

The Korean war was right around the time McCarthyism was getting a lot stronger... which is not to excuse any of these actions, but to explain them. The US didn't want to incite bitterness or hostility in a country they were trying to democratize.
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