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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm always complimented on my accent and it's neutrality and rightly so. Having lived a "global" life I've meshed myself together something of a global accent.

I think to generalize entire countries as having good accents is silly. Within my country alone we can barely understand each other for the diversity of our English Accents...same can be said for Britian (heck , even England).
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maingman



Joined: 26 Jan 2008
Location: left Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no !


I personally believe though the "accent" thing ie this American bias /english is something that our so classy Korean Bosses Surprised - mainly but not as arule in Hakwons tend to base assumptions for future ESL teachers/employees
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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
Location: Classified

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Does nationality matter? Reply with quote

hugekebab wrote:
SirFink wrote:
Atramentous wrote:
Is their a bias that is in favour of or against certain english speaking countries?


No, but there is one against English teachers who spell "there" as "their." Sorry, someone has to be the ass on a forum for English teachers.

Anyhow, I've had classrooms burst into applause when I announce I'm American ("America is cool!"). Yet they hate us and our disease-ridden cows.

The truth is most Koreans couldn't tell a South African accent from an American one let alone a New Orleans accent from a Boston accent.

And could someone point out to these folks that Mexico is part of North America? Are they hiring Mexicans now?


I think there's one about those who use conjunctions to start sentences too (don't post a link to a site saying that rule's arbitrary, this is a joke).


The rule only doesn't matter if you're paid for your writing. Otherwise, you simply don't do it. It's a firm rule.
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ReeseDog wrote:
I'm sure Aussies and New Zealanders have regional accents as well (though they all sound the same to me).


There's a wee bit of variation in New Zealand, with the most notable being that people in the far south sometimes speak with a slight "Scottish" rolling of the r.

To my discerning kiwi ears I do distinguish between what I consider to be a nice kiwi accent and a bad kiwi accent.

The interviewer in the clip below has what I consider to be a good example of the latter.

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=zUej8TEPLUE
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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still can't tell. It all sounds the same to me.

Actually, I once had an Australian classmate. She was asked for her British passport. She was offended. I was amused. We were both detained.
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The funny thing was when I lived in Oxfordshire in hte UK I very regularly asked people "Are you a kiwi or aussie?" and they would say they were English. It's all very confusing Confused
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Mr. BlackCat



Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't hire an Irishman, but it has nothing to do with his accent.

I kid, I kid. I love the Irish. Some of my best friends are Irish. I swear!

In one of my previous jobs here I often showed news clips from around the (English speaking) world. My students, kids and adults, couldn't tell the difference between Indian and Canadian English accents. Malaysian and British. Aussie and South African. Really. Sometimes I wouldn't understand the words right away and my students would explain it to me and ask why I didn't get it. We both struggled with the Irish, though. Very Happy
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Geckoman



Joined: 07 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Discrimination and Preferences in Korea Reply with quote

When it comes to applying for English teaching jobs, Korea engages in a lot of discrimination: racism, sexism, ageism, and lookism.

That's why they require a photo.

Unlike in America where "equal opportunity" is a major theme of society, and where there are strict laws against discrimination (racism, sexism, ageism, and discrimination based on marital status is prohibited under federal law, and many states have laws that further prohibit discrimination against sexual orientation, veteran status, etc.), which are strictly enforced (every lawyer dreams of a rich company breaking the anti-discrimination law(s), as o'the money that would bring them via a lawsuit), discriminatory practices are very common in Korea.

As for accents, North American accents are definitely more marketable than non-North American accents. And within North America, an American accent(s) is desired over Canadian accent(s). Though overall, choosing an American accent over a Canadian accent happens way less than choosing a North American accent over a non-North American accent. So if you hold citizenship from a North American country, go with that country. But if you hold citizenship from both the US and Canada, then go with the US one.

Also, in case you don't know this already, currently Korean law only allows citizens from seven countries to qualify for an English teaching visa. Those countries are: USA, Canada, Australia, UK, Ireland, New Zealand and South Africa. So if you don't hold citizenship from either of those 7 countries than you won't qualify for an English teaching visa. There has been some discussion in Korea about changing the law to allow people from other countries that speak English to qualify for an English teaching visa. I totally agree that they should do that. After all, so many other countries speak English besides those seven -- India, Malaysia, the Philippines, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh, Ghana, Singapore, Costa Rica, etc.

But despite only citizens from those seven countries qualifying for an English teaching visa, that's not to say that there aren't English teachers here who have citizenship from other countries besides those seven. They are here just on a different type of visa. For example, I�ve heard of Filipinos teaching English in Korea.

Good luck!

Very Happy
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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
"Who invented the language?" and he replied "the Americans did." I put the phone down.


Since when was English "invented?" Besides, the native tongues of the Brittish Isles were in the Celtic language group and not Germanic or Latin.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nateium, I decided to use very simple language for the culturally racist and blind-sided recruiter that I was talking to because he couldn't have understood: "Where was the first origin of English?".

Rather I use a simple language when talking to Koreans (or providing instructions with exercises in the class). It is easier and creates less ambiguity. I agree that the English didn't "invent" the language but it is originally from the UK but it was the only time I used that word with a Korean so he could understand my question.

I wouldn't normally say it to a native speaker.
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raketbaler



Joined: 14 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've traveled around Asia and have heard Asians speak English with an English accent. Its sounds strange coming from them. I know it's because they learned from an English ESL teacher. Since then I've vowed that the Koreans I teach will be able to use the word 'dude' in every context. I could only hope to give them a Californian accent, but we don't have accents here Laughing
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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
I decided to use very simple language for the culturally racist and blind-sided recruiter



hmmm...So someone at that level of ability is more likely to understand the word "invented" over a number of other possible word choices such as "developed?" Rolling Eyes

Or, are some Britts afriad a word like that might lead one to speculate that the English language may have developed just as much in North America? Very Happy

Sorry Chaps. I know you guys have lost almost everything else, but there's no way in the broader context of history and linguistics that you can really claim the English language. It's just as accurate to thank Germans for originating it (there's a word most every low level Koreans know! Original! If you don't believe me go to dunkin donut's and read the hangul menu) and the French for helping out.

Exactly who's culturally blind sided here??


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ReeseDog



Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
I've been declined some jobs because I am British and not North American. After phoning some hagwons, the boss said "umm, I can't understand your accent. You're not American, are you?" I said, "Does it matter?" And he replied by saying, "Well North American English is important." I laughed and asked him, "Who invented the language?" and he replied "the Americans did." I put the phone down.


God save the Queen!
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Quack Addict



Joined: 31 Mar 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
I've been declined some jobs because I am British and not North American. After phoning some hagwons, the boss said "umm, I can't understand your accent. You're not American, are you?" I said, "Does it matter?" And he replied by saying, "Well North American English is important." I laughed and asked him, "Who invented the language?" and he replied "the Americans did." I put the phone down.


Worked with a Irish guy...couldn't understand two words...almost as bad as the American deep south. Whether you invented the language or not...a thick accent is a death nail.
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