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Loza



Joined: 28 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Being sued for not finishing contract? Reply with quote

My friend wants to move from her hagwon to a nearby public school position. But her hagwon contract says if she leaves, before 1 year is up she can be sued for not completing the contract. This sounds crazy! Surely all she would have to pay back is her airfare, nothing else?

Any advice is much appreciated. BTW she is a gyopo, so perhaps easier for her to break a contract and move to a new one?

Thanks guys. Smile
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does the contract not have a provision for giving notice?
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Loza



Joined: 28 May 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll ask her. I'd be shocked if there is no provision.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you can be sued by anyone at any time for any reason.

But prevailing the case and collecting money is a long dragged out process so it's not worth a bother.


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mountainous



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
Location: Los Angeles

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

..or a provision that allows the hakwon to recover the expense incurred for finding a teacher

Try to work out a deal with the hakwon, perhaps offer to help find a replacement.
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ED209



Joined: 17 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Being sued for not finishing contract? Reply with quote

Loza wrote:


Any advice is much appreciated. BTW she is a gyopo, so perhaps easier for her to break a contract and move to a new one?


Depends on her visa. If it's an E2 then she's the same as most foreign teachers. Although she may actually be able to change her visa give the boss the finger and walk into the public school down the road doing a dainty tango.

It's highly unlikely she'll get sued. More likely she'll not get paid or any money promised to her. Since she's breaking the contract labor might not favor her too much if she decides to chase the money down.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I'd give one month notice, or whatever is required in the contract, and just leave. I'd rather go home for 6 months than continue to work for an employer who is trying to screw with my life.

In the meantime, if they outright fire her out of anger, she can claim 1 months pay for being fired (at the labor board) and may not have to deal with any release at all.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your friend will still have to get her current visa cancelled if she wants a different job before her year is up. I would think that would be a far greater worry.
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valkerie



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what's the difference between the teaxher cancelling their visa (at airport) and the school cancelling it?

I am trying to explain to someone that self cancellation, quick trip to (say) Japan, then returning as a tourist until new E2 secured won't work but I can't remember the specifics. (presuming in this case that the teacher is leaving early without a release letter).
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Sody



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

valkerie wrote:
So what's the difference between the teaxher cancelling their visa (at airport) and the school cancelling it?

I am trying to explain to someone that self cancellation, quick trip to (say) Japan, then returning as a tourist until new E2 secured won't work but I can't remember the specifics. (presuming in this case that the teacher is leaving early without a release letter).


Is she on an E2 visa? You can't cancel your own E2 visa. Even if you went to another country the existing visa will still be valid because you are expected to re-enter the country via either a 1 time re-entry permit or a multiple entry permit. It doesn't matter if you hand in your ARC either.
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valkerie



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, E2.

It is possible to ask for your visa to be cancelled though, right?

What I am trying to tell her is that even if u do that you have to wait out until the official finish date to start another E2.
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big_blue_21



Joined: 02 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huh, weird--I had my visa cancelled by my school, we went all the way to immigration in Mok-dong and I had like 10 days to get out of the country (I had given notice to my school).

Second time I left my job, my school didn't care about getting it canceled and yeah, since it was multiple entry the airport people didn't cancel it. They did take my ARC. I don't know if there'd be problems getting back into the country without it--I guess not since you can always come in on the tourist visa, but I wonder if the E-2 would be vaild if you didn't have an ARC . . . As far as I know, teachers who just went on vacation did not have their ARC's taken at the airport, or at least I never heard mention of them having to go to Mok-dong to get new ones . . .
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gosia



Joined: 10 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she has an E2 visa, and if she does NOT have multiple entry, then it will be cancelled at the airport. She just has to tell them that she has no plans to come back (Plans can change, of course).

I worked in a Hagwon and extended my visa for another year, but forgot to extend my multiple entry status. When I came back from vacation, I was informed that by leaving Korea, I had cancelled my visa. I had to go to Japan and do the whole visa process all over again.

So it really depends on her entry status...
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some people here are just clueless.
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Personally, I'd give one month notice,


Do that and guess what? You won't get your last month's pay! Think about it, if the Hogwan boss is the type of person who resorts to threats, he's also the type of person who won't pay you.

Oh the big bad Hogwan owner is going to sue me. You should be trembling in fear.

Koreans don't sue each other. Why? because it's sooo expensive, and the courts are useless for recovering money anyway.

So your going to loose your assets in Korea, your car, your house? What assets. I mean Duh!, think about it!

As for paying back the airfare, I wouldn't even do that.

After your next pay just quit!!

Oh but that's irresponsible some people will say, think about the poor children.

First priority is not to get shafted!! The kids, their parents, the hogwan boss doesn't care about you.

Don't know why your'e even posting this question it's a no brainer.

Oh my contract has a clause that says I'll get my bottom spanked if I'm late for class, what do I do?

Contracts here are not written by lawyers, they are written by clueless, idiots, and the even bigger fools are the ones who take those contracts seriously.
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valkerie



Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the thing that she can't seem to understand is that by cancelling her visa on exit (having finished job early but with no release letter), is that it is not easy to simply reapply UNTIL the original term of that cancelled visa has expired.

Example: you are hired in April on a 1 year E2, give proper notice in June, leave July (cancelling existing visa and HAVE NO RELEASE LETTER), go to Japan and return as tourist (or go home), apply for another job here and want a new E2 for a start date of (say) August.

My understanding is that u can't get a new E2 until the follwing April. But I can't find the exact information on this. Being able to make someone understand the risks of trying to get a new visa with no release letter from the old job may save someone I know from making a big mistake.
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