Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Split shift issue

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:46 am    Post subject: Split shift issue Reply with quote

A hagwon wants me to work split shifts, one at their hagwon and another at a public school. How much weight do I have in rejecting this? In the past schools have blocked my schedule, and by doing split shifts I have to be available 12 hours a day, yet only get paid for the hours I teach. In the contract it only refers to about 30 hours. Right now, I acknowledge I owe more hours than I am working now, but I don't feel doing split shifts was in the agreement. Is there some legal condition that doesn't need to be outlined in their contract which would allow them to enforce split shifts?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your contract specifies "about" 30 hrs. a week?... I find that hard to believe.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it doesn't. The actual number is not an issue here. It could say 30, 35, 40. The point of the post is that they put SOME number down and they didn't mention split shifts.

So, if the number was 30, then can someone answer what I asked above?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then you're an idiot.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, I am idiot because......? Do you understand the question I am asking?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Ut videam



Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your contract specify NO split shifts?

Are you working the full time specified under your contract?

From what you've already written, I'm guessing the answer to both questions is NO.

If that's the case, you've got no legal or contractual basis for refusing split shifts.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ut videam,

In the contract it doesn't state anything about public schools. Also, it clearly states that the location is at "a local English Academy", not "a local English Academy and (possibly) a public school".

I may not have a case with the amount of hours, but I think I do with the location.

I hope someday there will be a law that requires split shifts to be mentioned in the contract. That way, you don't get the bait and switch.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Zaria32



Joined: 04 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would tell them, politely and quietly, "I'm sorry, I'm not available for split shifts." Heard of the technique of "broken recording?" It means you just keep smiling and saying "Im sorry, I'm not available for split shifts."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jadarite wrote:
Ut videam,

In the contract it doesn't state anything about public schools. Also, it clearly states that the location is at "a local English Academy", not "a local English Academy and (possibly) a public school".

I may not have a case with the amount of hours, but I think I do with the location.

I hope someday there will be a law that requires split shifts to be mentioned in the contract. That way, you don't get the bait and switch.


Not only do you have no contractual obligation to work at the PS but, unless you get special permission from immigragion, it is illegal. Just say no.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jadarite



Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Location: Andong, Yeongyang, Seoul, now Pyeongtaek

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your replies.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
WoBW



Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: HBC

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is illegal without permission from kimmi.

Also, that number, 30 or whatever, will be referring to actual teaching hours, not hours to be available. Does the contract specifically mention 'working hours' i.e. not only teaching but the time you start work and the time you call it a day, like 8:30-4:30 or something like that.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Job-related Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International