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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Soccer's a snore-fest. At least hockey (also a snore-fest) has the occasional scraps. |
Oh, cmon. You cannot possibly compare the two. At the very least, people get hit in hockey. In soccer it's just amatuer theater night, seeing who can win the prize for "most convincing fall." |
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Toon Army
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Harsh on the guy to say the least after his man of the match performance in the semi final. Especially having Anderson and Nani (whose last contribution was headbutting a guy) getting the nod ahead of him |
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Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| If Koreans really want to idolize one of their own, Cha Bum-Kun is the man, a few of today's German stars love this guy. He played in big games and even scored a few winners. Unfortunatly, last time he played pro was about 20 years ago. |
You obviously know little about Cha, he's a complete a-hole and egomaniac. |
And on the outs cuz he pointed out that there was nothing really wrong with the Swiss offside "scandal" thing. (was that him, or another famous ex-players turned commentator?) |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: |
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| If Koreans really want to idolize one of their own, Cha Bum-Kun is the man, a few of today's German stars love this guy. He played in big games and even scored a few winners. Unfortunatly, last time he played pro was about 20 years ago. |
You obviously know little about Cha, he's a complete a-hole and egomaniac. |
Well, just because he's an a-hole, doesn't make him a worse player. Lots of athletes are @ssholes. |
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Toon Army
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| If Koreans really want to idolize one of their own, Cha Bum-Kun is the man, a few of today's German stars love this guy. He played in big games and even scored a few winners. Unfortunatly, last time he played pro was about 20 years ago. |
You obviously know little about Cha, he's a complete a-hole and egomaniac. |
Well, just because he's an a-hole, doesn't make him a worse player. Lots of athletes are @ssholes. |
Agreed. Usually you find the best athletes that that there have been have had some kind of arrogant//ego/a$$ hole call it whatever you streak about themselves |
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Frankly Mr Shankly
Joined: 13 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Soccer's a snore-fest. At least hockey (also a snore-fest) has the occasional scraps. |
Yet the latest in a long line of bloody Canadians here who doesn't realize the world doesn't end in the Bay of Fundy. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| Frankly Mr Shankly wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| Soccer's a snore-fest. At least hockey (also a snore-fest) has the occasional scraps. |
Yet the latest in a long line of bloody Canadians here who doesn't realize the world doesn't end in the Bay of Fundy. |
Except I'm not Canadian. I know some cool people from there, though. I made the comparison because they are both back-and-forth with not a lot of scoring.
I prefer the NFL, NBA and MLB, although I can see how some would say baseball is also a snore-fest. I don't share that view. The Red Sox are a religion where I come from, so I am biased, and IMO there're few things better in life than a sunny afternoon at Fenway getting pissed with your friends.
God, I'm gonna spend another baseball season in Korea.  |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| If Koreans really want to idolize one of their own, Cha Bum-Kun is the man, a few of today's German stars love this guy. He played in big games and even scored a few winners. Unfortunatly, last time he played pro was about 20 years ago. |
You obviously know little about Cha, he's a complete a-hole and egomaniac. |
Well, just because he's an a-hole, doesn't make him a worse player. Lots of athletes are @ssholes. |
Okay, he was a good player, but he is a complete and utter a-hole. Anyone who remembers the disastrous World Cup campaign Korea had under Cha bust can attest to this. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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My co-workers brought it up today, but mostly they asked me if I saw the game.
I didn't but I did see the sports page on Yahoo talking about, without pictures of PJ.
But they weren't tripping about it. I think they realize that Man U is a football/soccer team, not tennis or auto-racing. Ferguson was probably a better matchup against Chelsea than PJ was, hence the benching and the win. PJ gets his trophy. Isn't that a first for Korea right there? |
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Confused Canadian
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Yes, Park Ji-Sung is a 'squad player' at United. However, I didn't see a thread on Dave's rallying against his inclusion in the starting lineup when he was named in SAF's 'best 11' in the Champion's League semi-final.
Yes, Koreans place too much emphasis on him, and think he's the 'be all and end all of Man. Utd.' However, he's proved the critics wrong (including Hiddink) who all said he was signed to sell shirts. I think we can all agree he's done a bit more than that.
Personally, I was in disbelief he wasn't included in the squad on Wednesday night. Why?
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South Korea international Park began both legs of the Barca last-four showdown, as well as the Premier League title decider at Wigan Athletic, and is expected to keep his place on the left wing at the Luzhniki stadium on May 21.
"He's got a good chance," Ferguson says of Park's chances of starting ahead of the more illustrious Giggs. "He's played in most of our games recently and he's a fantastic professional, absolutely 100 per cent. He's only interested in being a good professional. He's dedicated and, above all, he's a good footballer.
"He has good intelligence on a football field, which we admire, and that's why we have been using him. His movement, his running off the ball, is very, very good. He has a big chance of being in the team next Wednesday." |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/05/16/ufnman116.xml
Not sure what the motivation was, but it just bothers me that hints were dropped that he'd play (maybe even start) and then wasn't even on the bench. Completely off topic, but it's because of those hints that his parents traveled to Moscow to watch the game...
A bigger 'kick in the teeth' was that he was replaced by Hargraves, playing on the wing for the first time this season (yes, he's played at right back, but this was his first time lining up on the wing). Nothing against Hargraves. He's a great central midfielder, and his proven he can play right back too. However, if it was about penalties, he always could've been brought on later.
Everthing said, United won, which is the most important thing. I guess you could say SAF got it right (despite stars like Rooney and Tevez being almost non-existent).
However, I, like many others around the globe (not just Koreans), were shocked that he wasn't even on the bench. He did MORE than enough in the run up to deserve a spot.
Okay, flame away. I'm a fan and not ashamed to admit it. He's not the best player at United, by a long shot, but I still like him. |
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ABC KID
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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I thought Liverpool's tremendous 4-1 victory over Man Utd yesterday merited a mention!
Astonishingly, despite the scoreline and the fact that Mr Park was substituted after 75 minutes when Alex Ferguson decided some serious changes were needed to rescue the game, more than 50% of Korean viewers thought Ji Sung Park was the best player on the day. Yes, he did win a penalty for his team but his team lost 4-1! Torres and Gerrard were immense.
Last week, some people were making a big deal out of Ji Sung Park's second goal assist of the season. Come on... The season is seven months old!
Just to reiterate, I do not think he is crap. I do not hate him, even though I do not care much for his manager. But please let us have a bit of realism here! |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| As a Blue from the correct side of Manchester, I would like to comment on this. PJS is a useful player, his work rate is off the scale, but he does suffer from the Asian footballing 'individual' syndrom. He doesn't have the team vision of the other players in his team. |
This is OT but it touches on something I've often thought is ironic: that the supposedly most individualistic country in the world, America, is very good at teamwork, and this supposedly collectivist country, Korea, sucks at it. In 2002 it was Hiddink who finally got the Korean team to play as a team, and he did it by throwing out Confucianist practices like deferring to your hyong. I guess it's what happens in a degenerate system: everything becomes politics and short-sighted self-interest rather than teamplay. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Park has proved himself at United, but I'm thinking his high player ratings are a result of his Korean fans overstuffing the votes on Sky Sports. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| caniff wrote: |
| Soccer's a snore-fest. At least hockey (also a snore-fest) has the occasional scraps. |
Oh, cmon. You cannot possibly compare the two. At the very least, people get hit in hockey. In soccer it's just amatuer theater night, seeing who can win the prize for "most convincing fall." |
Yeah, um, that's what I meant.  |
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| It's not so different from the NBA where you got 7ft tall tattooed thugs who get bumped into and go flying across the court. |
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