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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: why do I constantly hear a "d" in the Korean " Reply with quote

the Korean neh.. which means yes...

I constantly and consistently hear a "d" sound in there.. meaning I hear something akin to "deh" or "dae", rather than the pure n sound.

this has been driving me nuts and last time I checked my hearing was fine.

anyone else experience this and or knows what I am talking about? IO hear this all day long as the teachers around me say.. deh deh deh deh about a thousand times each day.

but they claim not to know what I am talking about when I inquire.
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dirty_scraps83



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have heard this.

When I asked a Korean about it he just said I'm hearing things.

Maybe when Koreans say 'ne' they put their tongues a bit further forward between the teeth than speakers of other languages giving it a slight but unintended 'd' sound.
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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only hear this out of children and women. It kind of drives me crazy too....
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Benicio



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kind of like Canadians who are adamant that Canadians don't say "abut" instead of "about"!

Denial!
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistersarah wrote:
I only hear this out of children and women. It kind of drives me crazy too....


I am so GLAD I am not losing my fucking mind.. or hearing..

and yes.. I am surrounded by women all day (it's not that bad actually, I'm beginning to kind of like it Smile and that's who I hear it our of (though heard it out of a young kid on walk home from school in the afternoon)
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Benicio



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, yes I have heard it, too.

It sounds like an affectation, like someone has a cold or something.

It could be like Castillian Spanish- spoken with a lisp.
The language is not originally supposed to sound like that, but they grew up hearing it like that. That's why it continues.

Most of the time if you ask a Korean to reflect deeply on anything having to do with their customs or behaviors, they either toss out the party line that they were told by their teachers, parents, etc. or they are totally clueless.
It's not that they are stupid. They have just never been taught or had experiences using critical thinking skills.
They memorize the who, what, when, where till the cows come home, but are generally clueless when it comes to the why!
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dirty_scraps83 wrote:
I too have heard this.

When I asked a Korean about it he just said I'm hearing things.

Maybe when Koreans say 'ne' they put their tongues a bit further forward between the teeth than speakers of other languages giving it a slight but unintended 'd' sound.


yeah, but to produce a "d" sound you still need to force air while keeping the tongue there... whereas merely just sticking the tongue a little further won't produce the "d" sound unless you specifically force the air thru the mouth at that precise moment.
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Tjames426



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always concerned it influence from the Chinese language.

Chinese, for yes, can be "dui". From the Korean, I hear "dea". So, I assumed it comes from the Chinese.

I have no reason to believe the Korean "yes", does not.
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tjames426 wrote:
I always concerned it influence from the Chinese language.

Chinese, for yes, can be "dui". From the Korean, I hear "dea". So, I assumed it comes from the Chinese.

I have no reason to believe the Korean "yes", does not.


yes, but the books say it's neh... with no d sound.
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sistersarah



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Men and women speak differently, probably not just in Korean. I'm no expert by any means, my Korean being very poor, but a male professor of Korean at Edae told me that he once met a male Japanese student who had been studying several semesters under a female professor in a class full of females. He said that the student spoke exactly like a woman, so much so that it was embarrassing. Kind of an amusing story.

I asked my husband and my language exchange partner about this difference between male and female speaking habits, but neither seem to know what I'm talking about.

Sorry about the hijack... I totally hate the "deh"... It sounds really fake.
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistersarah wrote:
Men and women speak differently, probably not just in Korean. I'm no expert by any means, my Korean being very poor, but a male professor of Korean at Edae told me that he once met a male Japanese student who had been studying several semesters under a female professor in a class full of females. He said that the student spoke exactly like a woman, so much so that it was embarrassing. Kind of an amusing story.

I asked my husband and my language exchange partner about this difference between male and female speaking habits, but neither seem to know what I'm talking about.

Sorry about the hijack... I totally hate the "deh"... It sounds really fake.


nah, no hijack at all, I'm just glad I'm not fucking going nuts. I'm actually kind of proud of my language "ear", I've been told it's good.

now that I know I am not imagining things, I will speak to the men at the school, especially the VP upon his return next week about the topic and we shall see what they say.. how they say it.. and I'll report the results.

I will say if true, it'll be the first time I've heard a substantial pronounciation difference between the sexes in any language.
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Imrahil



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will say if true, it'll be the first time I've heard a substantial pronounciation difference between the sexes in any language.

Once they realize this will make them unique that will start spouting off about that like the "we have four seasons," and "kimchi prevents sars" stuff.
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danby_ll



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked my boyfriend (Korean) about this because it often sounded to me as though Koreans were pronouncing 누구 (nugu, "who") with a d instead of an n. He had no idea what I was talking about and kept repeating it to himself to see if he could hear a d.

I also find that Koreans pronounce k and g interchangeably...I have a friend named Kyoung Min and some people pronounce his name like Gyoung Min while others say Kyoung Min. I hear the difference, but they don't.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a speech particle that signifies understanding. Lao and Issan language has it as well.
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bogey666



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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
It's a speech particle that signifies understanding. Lao and Issan language has it as well.


can you expound on that/explain it?

what do you mean by a "speech particle"?
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