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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Transferring between Public Schools Reply with quote

I want to transfer to a different public school. I'm at a middle school and I want to be in an elementary school like I originally asked for and was told I would get.

My contract says I will teach in elementary and/or middle schools. I know transfers are possible because... a previous teacher at this school got one. I don't know if it was her request, or just a random administrative decision, or if they wanted to get rid of her, but she was transferred.

Who is the best person to talk to about this? Does anyone have experience with switching between public schools and staying under the same contract?
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: What I understand Reply with quote

If you are in GEPIK, we were told that any time you switch from one school to another your contract tenure begins all over again. This means that your tenure at the first or previous school makes no difference other than the fact you have experience you can use as a bargaining chip in your salary negotiations.

With that said, it depends on the school you are moving to to determine what you will receive in terms of experience and level recognition. There is no such thing as "tenure" of carrying your years experience with you here in Korea as there is in the US or other places as an educator. Part of the reason is that foreigners are not considered full time employees within the Korean Education system. We are contract employees which makes us non-permanent employees.

If you are with EPIK or SMOE I am fairly sure the rules will basically be the same, but it depends on the hiring agency. That is what I know from a personal and practical position. I was going to switch jobs from one public school to the next and found out in time before I completed the switch. Otherwise I would have had to "go back" in terms of the benefits I have worked hard over the years I was at my current school to build up.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm with EPIK. Neither of the places I'm working is named in my contract. I work wherever the province says I have to work. I don't want to outright quit because I don't want to pay back my airfare.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In SMOE, contracts are with SMOE, not with ind. schools. At the rehiring time, you can transfer schools within SMOE.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
In SMOE, contracts are with SMOE, not with ind. schools. At the rehiring time, you can transfer schools within SMOE.


I'm asking about changing schools mid-contract. No one has done it? No one has any information?
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aarontendo



Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's probably damn hard to do I'd reckon.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
In SMOE, contracts are with SMOE, not with ind. schools. At the rehiring time, you can transfer schools within SMOE.


I'm asking about changing schools mid-contract. No one has done it? No one has any information?


That is a tricky situation and I have yet to hear of anyone pulling it off.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Draz wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
In SMOE, contracts are with SMOE, not with ind. schools. At the rehiring time, you can transfer schools within SMOE.


I'm asking about changing schools mid-contract. No one has done it? No one has any information?


That is a tricky situation and I have yet to hear of anyone pulling it off.


I've heard of it happening in GEPIK. VERY RARE though. Basically, she said I want to transfer school or else I'm running. Of course, you have to have good reason. You can't simply change schools because you don't like 1 teacher there.

From what I understand, when you switch schools, you are in a new 1 year contract. Meaning, you don't get to finish out your current contract at your new school.

It is VERY VERY difficult but it can be done. You have to have good reason to switch schools though.
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Dome Vans
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
Draz wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
In SMOE, contracts are with SMOE, not with ind. schools. At the rehiring time, you can transfer schools within SMOE.


I'm asking about changing schools mid-contract. No one has done it? No one has any information?


That is a tricky situation and I have yet to hear of anyone pulling it off.


You'd have to kick up one hell of a fuss to get moved.

With Epik, teachers generally move around in February at the beginning of the school year. I'd very much doubt that you could get your co-teacher on your side that much, to argue with the supervisors and get you moved. After a few years in the same city then you might have some leverage, but 6 months in.... At the end of the contract is a different story, you can use that as a bargaining chip but middle difficult.

The only thing I can think of is to find another teacher in your city who may be willing to swap their elementary for your middle school, and approach it like that.

I'm in the process of helping my friend change her teachers classes for an elementary school, but then again she's at the end of her contract.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:

It is VERY VERY difficult but it can be done. You have to have good reason to switch schools though.


I think it is a good school, but I really did not come here to teach middle school. I gave it a shot but this is really not what I signed up for. Having to do everything alone is way too much pressure!

My coteacher would rather work with someone... hmmm.... better so I don't think it's impossible to get her on my side.

Like anyone would want to trade elementary school for middle! Haha! Wink

So general consensus... it's easier to outright quit and find a new job and get a new visa?
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Re: What I understand Reply with quote

tob55 wrote:
If you are in GEPIK, we were told that any time you switch from one school to another your contract tenure begins all over again. This means that your tenure at the first or previous school makes no difference other than the fact you have experience you can use as a bargaining chip in your salary negotiations.


Cool, two more years tax free! Very Happy
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:43 am    Post subject: Re: What I understand Reply with quote

spliff wrote:

Cool, two more years tax free! Very Happy



What exactly do you mean by that?
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Re: What I understand Reply with quote

R. S. Refugee wrote:
spliff wrote:

Cool, two more years tax free! Very Happy



What exactly do you mean by that?


Non canadian teachers in PS's do not pay tax for their first two years in Korea. If when you transfer schools everything "starts from scratch" so do the 2 years of tax-exemption...

I doubt that's the case, but then again in Korea, anything (and often more...) is possible ;P
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, public schools are built like brick shithouses. It's not like they want to bother to understand you. It's a communal situation where there is no 'YOU'. Just a bunch of teacher-shaped cogs and wheels processing student-shaped cogs and wheels. You're going to interupt that? And then there's the face thing. Why do yo really want to transfer, don't you like it here? What's wrong with our school? How ungrateful! And who's going to do the paperwork, calling, and so on to get the new teacher, get them sorted into your apt, and so on. If you just stayed, they think, there'd be no extra work to do. Aren't you happy here? (repeat). Expect a roundabout, circular motion that is no motion.

If you said you'd find someone to work for you in your place, maybe someone older and more suited to M.S. and transfer half way thru, when there's a hiring window (Summer vacation say). But then there's the fuss of finding a school for yourself then. And, don't mean to be a worrywart, the risk of not getting your severance because of 'interuption'. Can you just suck it up and forge your mettle during a tough year?
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
pkang0202 wrote:

It is VERY VERY difficult but it can be done. You have to have good reason to switch schools though.


I think it is a good school, but I really did not come here to teach middle school. I gave it a shot but this is really not what I signed up for. Having to do everything alone is way too much pressure!

My coteacher would rather work with someone... hmmm.... better so I don't think it's impossible to get her on my side.

Like anyone would want to trade elementary school for middle! Haha! Wink

So general consensus... it's easier to outright quit and find a new job and get a new visa?


maybe you shouldn't think of switching schools just yet and try to fix this problem. why are doing everything (teaching too?) alone? if your school hasn't started the new initiative (dividing up the classes), you should NOT be teaching alone. check your contract; it should say something along the lines of assisting the korean co-teachers or jointly conducting classes.

if you find stuff isn't changing after you try to fix this issue, you could always casually mention to one of your co-teachers that you're unhappy and thinking of quitting. gossip about the FT spreads quickly in a korean public school. that will probably get them moving to help you more...
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