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MBC/PD Diary misinformed the public but refuse to apologize
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Troll_Bait



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: MBC/PD Diary misinformed the public but refuse to apologize Reply with quote

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200805/200805210025.html

The Chosun Ilbo newspaper wrote:
The MBC news program �PD Diary�, which broadcast the report on mad cow disease showing a staggering cow being dragged into a slaughterhouse and an American woman in her 20s said to have died from Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease -- the human form of the bovine disease -- has been ordered by the Press Arbitration Commission to air a statement saying the two key points made by the program are untrue. ... The commission said it is no evidence of mad cow disease if cattle stagger, while the U.S. Department of Agriculture announced the interim finding that the woman did not die from CJD.


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Staggering and falling down, also known as �downer cow� symptoms, are not the main symptoms of bovine spongiform encephalopathy. The symptoms can come from problems with metabolism, fractures, and weakness due to disease. But �PD Diary� inserted the caption �BSE-infected cow� as it showed a downer cow. Authorities are still investigating the cause of the woman�s death and interim findings showed the cause was not CJD, but �PD Diary� insisted it was the fatal human variant of mad cow disease that killed her. Another key claim made by the program was that Koreans were genetically more susceptible to CJD. But the scientist who conducted research on that subject denied that claim, saying it was difficult to state that a particular gene makes a person more prone to contracting CJD.


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Yet the network is refusing to abide by the decision of the commission, saying it had already aired the clarifications.


When Dan Rather ran a story based upon documents whose authenticity were later found to be questionable, he retired (or was probably forced to retire). How likely do you think it is that anyone at PD Diary is going to suffer any negative consequences for their misinformation?

(Hat Tip to the Marmot's Hole blog)
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you can forget any public clarification, let alone an apology, because the issue isn't really about mad cows any more than the uproar about opening the market to American rice in the mid 90's was about how American rice lacked whatever it is about Korean rice that makes Korean rice healthy for Koreans.

I have to wonder what other deliberate misinformation PD Diary has aired.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This cow thing IS making national headlines in the USA.

Expect a tax on Hyundai, Samsung, LG, and similar companies in some way, shape, or form.

It's about damn time.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
This cow thing IS making national headlines in the USA.

Expect a tax on Hyundai, Samsung, LG, and similar companies in some way, shape, or form.

It's about damn time.


They have a free trade agreement in the works, so that seems unlikely. But then again the US has renegged bigtime when it comes to NAFTA, so who knows....
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Return Jones wrote:
bassexpander wrote:
This cow thing IS making national headlines in the USA.

Expect a tax on Hyundai, Samsung, LG, and similar companies in some way, shape, or form.

It's about damn time.


They have a free trade agreement in the works, so that seems unlikely. But then again the US has renegged bigtime when it comes to NAFTA, so who knows....


We have a change in presidency coming, and if it's a Democrat, expect some changes in terms of trade with Asia.
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Whistleblower



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope for god that the US and Europe will start to tax for imported Korean goods. Just look at the automobile industry. Any foreign (non Korean) car is a luxury and is probably taxed with import duty by 50%. Wonder if Korea would like a taste of their own kimchi medicine.
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Grab the Chickens Levi



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whistleblower wrote:
I hope for god that the US and Europe will start to tax for imported Korean goods. Just look at the automobile industry. Any foreign (non Korean) car is a luxury and is probably taxed with import duty by 50%. Wonder if Korea would like a taste of their own kimchi medicine.


Their economy would literally fall apart.

They are only where they are because the Yanks have subsidized, protected and bailled them out over the years because they were good boys and didn't go red and they are their capitalist economy in Asia showcase model.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grab the Chickens Levi wrote:

Their economy would literally fall apart.

They are only where they are because the Yanks have subsidized, protected and bailled them out over the years because they were good boys and didn't go red and they are their capitalist economy in Asia showcase model.


I still find it hilarious how Korean products made IN Korea are more expensive here than they are in the States. I've bought multiple Korean electronics in the US that were at least 10% cheaper than what they charge here.
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komerican



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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There have been so many beef recalls in the US. The truth is the Bush Administration has really dropped the ball when it comes to regulating the meat packing industry.

Some folks here sound like ultra-nationalist sales representatives of the meat-packing companies. The customer is still king and if the customer wants inspections then companies should comply or lose the market. I just don't like the way the US is handling this. They're way too heavy handed. This is a safety issue more than it is a trade issue.

Here's a comment on a blog talking about how the Bush administration has just failed to do its job, opting for "self-regulation"...yeah riight! There are many news articles on this as well.
http://www.americablog.com/2007/10/hot-new-bush-plan-for-food-safety.html


"Try for a moment to forget about the numerous food safety problems including the recently announced recall of 22 million pounds of beef and instead focus on the GOP plan for just about everything: let industry self regulate. OK, so we already know that is a big reason why we are even in this current mess because industry has failed time after time to properly self regulate, probably afraid of the negative business impact of a new announcement. So here we are, years down the path of self-regulation and what's the new plan being proposed by the special new commission created by Bush? Uh huh, more of the same.

Worse still, the Washington Post delivers cover for this failed policy and manages to not even mention the 22 million pounds of beef that were just recalled...
Yesterday, Mike Leavitt, secretary of health and human services and chairman of a panel established by President Bush to study the safety of imported food, reflected that point of view when he said: "We simply cannot inspect our way to safety."
This quote pretty much says everything we need to know about how the Bush administration plans to make food safer. There is no interest whatsoever in protecting consumers. The only interest is in protecting the businesses and their failed system.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that the Bush administration has not done enough to protect the American people from food contamination. Safety regulations have become seriously laxed under the Bush administration in general - not just for meat.

But, I disagree about the U.S. being "heavy handed." First of all, this is not a complete across the board (all goods) free trade agreement but a laundry list of give and take items. In the negotiation, Korea came with a few items they wanted and the U.S. came to the table with a few items they wanted. I am willing to bet number one on that list was the opening of the beef market. I believe South Korea was either the first or second biggest importer of American beef before the ban. This is one of the few areas that Americans benefit. Especially, since Koreans prefer cuts of beef that most Americans don't, meaning that if Korea doesn't buy this part of the cow, it might lay waiste.

Sadly, another issue witht the free trade agreement has not been mentioned. Under the agreement, Korea has agreed to stop making knock-offs of American pharmacudicals (sp?), which will drastically hike the price of medicines and medical care for all of us who reside and use Korean medical services.

I am willing to bet this will effect more Koreans than American beef.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

komerican wrote:
[American beef bad. Blar, blar, blar ...]


At least there is some degree of monitoring in the U.S.

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200805/200805160027.html

The Chosun Ilbo newspaper wrote:
More Madness: Now Korean Beef is Scrutinized

KBS' "News Issue Ssam" news program recently showed a sick cow being sold on the black market and heading to a slaughterhouse. According to a livestock trader in an accompanying interview, the slaughtered cow would be sold for human consumption. The program also said Korean cattle farmers imported feed that contained meat and bones until 2004, and it's uncertain where this feed -- the type believed to be the source of mad cow disease -- was used.


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Everyone knows there are weaknesses in Korea's food safety monitoring system. Korea has not registered to be classified by the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) on the safety of its cattle against mad cow disease, so we don't know just how safe our beef really is.


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-163847129.html

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The World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) agreed Tuesday to classify the United States as a country with a "controlled BSE" risk and allow it in principle to export beef regardless of cattle age.

This endorsement will inevitably strengthen calls from the U.S. government for Japan to relax beef import conditions The OIE, which determines safety regulations for livestock, said at a general meeting in Paris that the United States is taking measures to reduce the risk of an outbreak of BSE, commonly known as mad cow disease.


http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200805/200805220019.html

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The Truth About U.S. Beef Is Easy to Find Out

Controversy over American beef imports is refusing to go away even after Korea reached agreement with the U.S. that Seoul can immediately suspend imports if mad cow disease is confirmed in American cattle. The controversy has now shifted to rumors that Koreans will end up consuming beef from cattle 30 months or older, which Americans don�t eat. The governments of both countries have been saying that this is not true and that Koreans will consume the same beef as Americans do. But tactless attempts at explaining this to the public have kept the controversy going. The truth of the matter can be learned simply by investigating it.


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The government says out of 300 million Americans, none has caught vCJD (the human form of BSE or mad cow disease). But critics of U.S. beef imports say that�s because Americans consume beef only from cattle less than 30 months old.


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Until now, BSE has been detected almost exclusively in cattle older than 30 months. The resumption of U.S. beef imports includes older cattle, so such fears are understandable. The protein that is believed to cause mad cow disease is found in only a few, specific parts of a cow. That�s why, if they are removed, beef from cattle older than 30 months is said to be safe for consumption. Around the world, 96 countries import U.S. beef based not on the age of cattle but on whether these specified risk materials have been removed.


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The U.S. government explains that beef from cattle 30 months or older is lower in quality and therefore turned into hamburger meat or sausages. Considering the amount of hamburgers and sausages Americans consume, one can estimate what vast amounts of beef from cattle older than 30 months is consumed in the United States.


It's clear from the image below that all this brouhaha has nothing to do with food safety and everything to do with anti-Americanism.











(Source)

And let me reiterate that komerican is merely an expatriate troll residing in Korea, and is thus neither Korean nor kyopo.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one, considering how much food is eaten, find it suprising the whole world hasn't died of food borne illness yet. Do you know why? Cause even with terrible food hygine, water borne illness is more common, more serious, and a far greater problem to the world.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the US chamber of commerce in Korea:

AGRICULTURE
What Is the Issue?
Korea imported $10.6 billion in agricultural products in 2004, about 70% of its
agricultural needs. Korea is the sixth-largest market for U.S. agricultural
goods; in 2004, U.S. exporters shipped $2.5 billion in agricultural products to
Korea, supplying about one-fourth of Korea's agricultural imports. Major U.S.
agricultural exports to Korea include corn, soybeans, processed foods, cotton,
citrus, and nuts --- [b]each of which are subject to tariffs as high as 500%.[/b]
Eliminating these tariffs and removing other market access barriers to U.S.
agricultural goods in Korea would create important new opportunities for U.S.
farmers, ranchers, and processors to compete in the Korean market.
The U.S.-Korea Business Council and AMCHAM Korea believe that a U.S.-
Korea FTA should cover trade in all agricultural commodities comprehensively,
with no exceptions. Significantly, studies indicate that the potential benefits
of a U.S.-Korea FTA would be reduced by half if agriculture is not included in
the agreement.2 An FTA should reflect and build upon multilateral commitments
made under WTO agriculture negotiations in order to provide
enhanced opportunities for both U.S. and Korean companies, farmers, and
ranchers. It should also follow important precedents set in other recent FTAs
negotiated by the United States that ensure real market access for U.S. agricultural
products and provide improved mechanisms to address sanitary and
phytosanitary issues.
Issues to Be Addressed in the U.S.-Korea FTA
Comprehensive Agreement: A U.S.-Korea FTA should cover trade in all agricultural
commodities comprehensively, with no exclusions.
Tariffs/Tariff Rate Quotas: An FTA should eliminate Korean agricultural tariffs
and tariff rate quotas on U.S. agricultural products as rapidly as possible.
U.S. Beef Imports: Korea must eliminate its ban on U.S. bone-in-beef
imports and fully reopen its beef market in-line with internationally accepted,
science-based principles as soon as possible.
Market Access Barriers: An FTA should include commitments by the Korean
government to transparency and predictability in establishing and implementing
food regulations, food safety measures, biotechnology policies, and
inspection and custom clearing procedures and labeling requirements, which
are onerous at present.
All of these have presented problems for U.S. agricultural
exporters. Korean product and safety standards are among the greatest
barriers to U.S. exports of agricultural and food products in the Korean
market, and an FTA should lead to Korean codes in-line with internationally
accepted standards.
Sanitary/Phytosanitary Measures: An FTA should ensure that Korea's sanitary
and phytosanitary measures on U.S. agricultural imports are sciencebasedand developed in a transparent manner and are not used as barriers to
trade.
KOREA: LIST OF SELECTIVE
COMMODITIES WITH HIGH
IMPORT DUTIES
2004
Product Applied Tariff
Fresh Potatoes 30%
Cheeses 36%
Apples, Grapes, Pears, Cherries 45%
Fresh Tomatoes 45%
Oranges 50%
Whey 50%
Poultry meat 18% to 27%
Pork, Pork Cuts and
Offals 18% to 30%
Confectionary 8% to 40%
Beef and Offals 8% to 40%
Tree Nuts (Pistachios, etc.) 8% to 45%
Fruit Juices 30% to 54%
Skim Milk
Powder 176% over-quota tariff
Peanuts 231% over-quota tariff
Potato Flakes and
Flour 304% over-quota tariff
Feed corn 328% over-quota tariff
Popcorn 630% over-quota tariff

Source: Office of the U.S. Trade Representative,
February 2006
U.S. AGRICULTURAL
EXPORTS TO KOREA BY
SECTOR, 2004
(in millions of current U.S. dollars)
Source: U.S. Department of Agriculture

Don't you just love the bit about sanitary measures being SCIENCE BASED!
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do believe that car import tariffs are around 8 or 8.5%. The extreme price differences can be attributed to cost of transport, economies of scale, and since foreign cars are perceived as a luxury item car sellers jack up the prices a lot.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car Imports, here's the deal:

Long-standing barriers in Korea's automotive sector include tariff and
auto-specific taxes, standards and certification processes and procedures,
continued anti-import bias, inability to offer a full range of financial
services, and currency manipulation. Two bilateral auto agreements were
negotiated in the 1990s that addressed some of the non tariff barriers
that imports face, but they did not lead to an open automotive market in
Korea.
The fact that sales of imported vehicles in Korea, from all
sources, accounted for only 2.7% of the Korean automotive market in
2005 --- the lowest import participation level of any major Organization for
Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) member country ---
clearly indicates that this sector needs significant attention in the FTA.

Auto Tax Structure: Korea has an antiquated and discriminatory tax
structure for motor vehicles that is especially burdensome for importers
because: (1) many taxes are based on engine size, which disproportionately
affect imports, and (2) the taxes are applied on top of the 8 percent
duty and in a cascading fashion that magnifies the impact of the tariff. A
U.S.-Korea FTA should include a commitment for a comprehensive
reform of its automotive tax structure that simplifies the tax structure
and eliminates the discriminatory nature of the current system.
Auto Standards/Certification: Korea's continued implementation of
unique standards and certification procedures in the automotive sector
also continues to present a significant barrier to entry to the Korean
AUTOMOBILE IMPORT
PENETRATION RATES
2004
Source: Automotive Trade Policy Council
18
�U.S.-KOREA BUSINESS COUNCIL
AND AMERICAN CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE IN KOREA
automotive market. A U.S.-Korea FTA should ensure that Korea ceases
these practices and adopts international standards. The U.S. automotive
industry believes that vehicles certified as meeting U.S. auto safety and
emissions standards should be accepted as meeting Korea's standards.
Further, an FTA should establish greater transparency and predictability in
the regulatory development process for Korea's automotive market and
provide industry with adequate opportunities to provide input when the
Korean government is considering new regulations.
Anti-Import Bias: Anti-import bias, largely a residual impact of past practices,
is a particularly important challenge in Korea that has limited market
access for U.S. automakers. Our two organizations urge the U.S. government
to seek additional commitments by the Korean government in an
FTA to help reverse the impact of past practices.
Financial Services: The FTA negotiations should result in an agreement
that allows automakers the ability to offer to Korean consumers the full
range of auto-related financial services permitted in most other OECD
member countries.
Currency Manipulation: An FTA should include assurances by the Korean
government that it will not resort to currency manipulation to gain an
unfair competitive advantage for Korean motor vehicles.
Motorcycle Barriers: Korea has also had several long-standing market
access barriers to sales of U.S. motorcycles that should be addressed in
the context of an FTA. These include a highway ban, noise standards, and
the lack of procedure for title ownership for motorcycle owners that
severely limits financing options for consumers.

The US would have to be really stupid to proceed with an FTA, as based on past experience, Korea can't be trusted to abide by the spirit of the agreement.
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