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eurasian76
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 Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: Coming to Korea on an F-4 visa - advantages? |
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I will be coming to Korea in the not to distant future with an f-4 visa but have little teaching experience (but I`m not fresh out of College either)
With that said......even though I have little experience teaching.......what kind of advantages can I still `demand` should I meet prospective employers?
I know the average salary is 2.2m a month for E-2`s at least but how much more can I greedily ask for seeing as how I`m not going to be costing them anything in terms of visa application fees etc? a couple 100k extra (or is that unrealistic)? ......I will also have my flight ticket already so that`s not costing them anything too.
Also I heard getting 2 part time jobs might be better than getting a full time one? Would that be correct?
And do we get taxed higher with the F visa?
Apologies for all the questions but I appreciate any replies!
(PS; I have done a search but mosty they relate to F-4 visa applications, the perks of quitting anytime and privates which I know a bit about) |
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Johnwayne
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| You won't be able to 'demand' anything extra without relevant work/teaching experience regardless of the type of visa you have. |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Johnwayne wrote: |
| You won't be able to 'demand' anything extra without relevant work/teaching experience regardless of the type of visa you have. |
That is correct. Your qualifications and experience matter more than your VISA.
However, if you are an Ivy league graduate who speaks both English and Korean like native speakers then you are in a position to demand. But, if you did have those credentials you wouldn't be teaching English in Korea. |
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eurasian76
Joined: 09 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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ah well so having the F-4 gives you little advantage at the bargaining table to begin with apart from being able to quit when you want and privates (registered)
I thought I`d be able to swing an extra few won my way (however little!) seeing as how they have to pay nothing for visa applications/health checksflights etc and that i could start on the spot.
I thought with the new regulations too for E-2`s and the fact that its becoming more difficult for agencies to get teachers (as opposed to before) I`d have some advantage
appreciate the replies though |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| eurasian76 wrote: |
ah well so having the F-4 gives you little advantage at the bargaining table to begin with apart from being able to quit when you want and privates (registered)
I thought I`d be able to swing an extra few won my way (however little!) seeing as how they have to pay nothing for visa applications/health checksflights etc and that i could start on the spot.
I thought with the new regulations too for E-2`s and the fact that its becoming more difficult for agencies to get teachers (as opposed to before) I`d have some advantage
appreciate the replies though |
There is a demand for bilingual teachers. I'm sure you can find a position at an adult hagwon where you'll make a little more money.
If I were you, I'd go for flight attendant training schools. The majority of your students will be hot and eager to learn English. |
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icicle
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| eurasian76 wrote: |
ah well so having the F-4 gives you little advantage at the bargaining table to begin with apart from being able to quit when you want and privates (registered)
I thought I`d be able to swing an extra few won my way (however little!) seeing as how they have to pay nothing for visa applications/health checksflights etc and that i could start on the spot.
I thought with the new regulations too for E-2`s and the fact that its becoming more difficult for agencies to get teachers (as opposed to before) I`d have some advantage
appreciate the replies though |
The truth of the matter is that it is not necessarily common for schools to pay for visa application fees or for the required health checks at least from the postings which have been made by people telling how much the health check had cost them ... So they are not actually making a saving in that respect by employing you ...
If you don't need the school to provide you with accommodation ... ie you are arranging that yourself you may be able to get a housing allowance around 300,000 won in place of the provision of accommodation ... Something like that is sometimes included in the contract ...
It is also probably true that you would actually not give major benefits to an employer over someone else who is already in the country and who has teaching experience here ... Who also may not need flight costs paid ...
For some employers you would be a relative disadvantage because they want to be seen to have a "foreign" english teacher and some but by no means all may not want to employ a gypo ...
I guess what I am trying to say is that you may actually not be worth more at least in monetary terms than anybody else ...
The main advantages as you have already said ... and the main way that you could make money ... is that legally it is easier for you to have 2 jobs or make money in other ways than it is for E2 visa holders ... But I don't think that you are necessarily in a position without teaching experience to demand extra money (Though that said it would never hurt to try) |
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mj roach
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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don't know if you'd consider it an advantage or not
but, depending on several factors..
you may be required to do mandatory service in the k/military |
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eurasian76
Joined: 09 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| mj roach wrote: |
don't know if you'd consider it an advantage or not
but, depending on several factors..
you may be required to do mandatory service in the k/military |
thankfully F-4`s don`t
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| eurasian76 wrote: |
ah well so having the F-4 gives you little advantage at the bargaining table to begin with apart from being able to quit when you want and privates (registered)
I thought I`d be able to swing an extra few won my way (however little!) seeing as how they have to pay nothing for visa applications/health checksflights etc and that i could start on the spot.
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I thought with the new regulations too for E-2`s and the fact that its becoming more difficult for agencies to get teachers (as opposed to before) I`d have some advantage
appreciate the replies though |
The truth of the matter is that it is not necessarily common for schools to pay for visa application fees or for the required health checks at least from the postings which have been made by people telling how much the health check had cost them ... So they are not actually making a saving in that respect by employing you ...
If you don't need the school to provide you with accommodation ... ie you are arranging that yourself you may be able to get a housing allowance around 300,000 won in place of the provision of accommodation ... Something like that is sometimes included in the contract ...
It is also probably true that you would actually not give major benefits to an employer over someone else who is already in the country and who has teaching experience here ... Who also may not need flight costs paid ...
For some employers you would be a relative disadvantage because they want to be seen to have a "foreign" english teacher and some but by no means all may not want to employ a gypo ...
I guess what I am trying to say is that you may actually not be worth more at least in monetary terms than anybody else ...
The main advantages as you have already said ... and the main way that you could make money ... is that legally it is easier for you to have 2 jobs or make money in other ways than it is for E2 visa holders ... But I don't think that you are necessarily in a position without teaching experience to demand extra money (Though that said it would never hurt to try) |
I`m technically not a `Gyopo` as I`m half and look very little like a Korean (at least Asians just think I`m a plain old waegookin)
Thanks for clearing up a few points though. I thought I`d be saving them money with not needing visa applications etc but I guess not! |
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mj roach
Joined: 16 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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it is, in fact, because you are eligible for an F4 visa
that you may (depending on several factors) be subject
to mandatory military service
edit - sorry missed the bottom of the response.
Last edited by mj roach on Sat May 24, 2008 5:37 am; edited 3 times in total |
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crsandus
Joined: 05 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| mj roach wrote: |
it is, in fact, because you are eligible for an F4 visa
that you may (depending on several factors) be subject
to mandatory military service |
From what I've read, mixed F4 males aren't required for military service. Also, you can get of any possible military service by filling out the Korean Nationality Renunciation paperwork, which most likely would have been required if you're applying for an F4. |
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Johnwayne
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Military service is contingent upon your name being on the family registry and/or having Korean citizenship (whether our realize it or not) and not having denounced it.
If you want to make the most money, teach privates, otherwise, yes generally speaking, working two part time jobs will net you more money than one full time job.
Taxes, I have no idea, but I know it isn't too much more than the normal tax rate if it is higher and income taxes are already really low here. |
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