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JZer
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Atavistic
Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.
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 Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:06 am Post subject: Re: The World's Hardest-Working Countries |
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http://www.forbes.com/leadership/2008/05/21/labor-market-workforce-lead-citizen-cx_po_0521countries.html?partner=yahoobuzz&ybf1=1
Could someone please beg Forbes Magazine to report accurately. Yes, maybe Koreans put in the most face hours hut as we all know they often are chatting on msn at work. |
Did you even read the whole article?
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"This is an authoritarian corporate culture," he adds. "It's very bad form to leave the office before the boss does, so people will hang around doing nothing, and then when the boss leaves, they feel free to leave. ... Because of all of that, people don't have much of a life."
Yet amid the current economic downturn, personal spending in developing nations, and rapidly industrializing Asia in particular, is seeing industrious citizens loosen up a bit. The OECD confirmed that South Korea is gradually converging toward its standard practices. "I am personally trying to reduce my working time and I try to reduce my stress," says Lee. "Korea has this kind of bad culture where we always think about the boss� opinion. But we are changing." |
Also, does anyone work in a public school with NO Saturday classes?
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As for the opposite extreme, South Korea, things are slowly moving toward the OECD norm after the Korean government introduced a five-day working week in 2004 for schools and companies with over 1,000 employees. But with the culture of hard work so deeply ingrained, change is slow. "A Korean's identity comes from his title at work," says Michael Breen, author of The Koreans, explaining that employees often refer to each other by titles such as "office manager Kim" or "accountant Park," even outside the workplace. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Did you even read the whole article? |
Yes, I did but to label the article "The hardest working Nation" is a little misleading. |
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Justin Kimberlake
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: Re: The World's Hardest-Working Countries |
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| JZer wrote: |
http://www.forbes.com/leadership/2008/05/21/labor-market-workforce-lead-citizen-cx_po_0521countries.html?partner=yahoobuzz&ybf1=1
Could someone please beg Forbes Magazine to report accurately. Yes, maybe Koreans put in the most face hours hut as we all know they often are chatting on msn at work. |
...and 96th most productive... |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
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| I would have thought of China, man even those guys work for peanuts they really have to work damn hard for them. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm of the opinion many Korean men make work an excuse to avoid spending time with their families. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: The World's Hardest-Working Countries |
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| Justin Kimberlake wrote: |
| JZer wrote: |
http://www.forbes.com/leadership/2008/05/21/labor-market-workforce-lead-citizen-cx_po_0521countries.html?partner=yahoobuzz&ybf1=1
Could someone please beg Forbes Magazine to report accurately. Yes, maybe Koreans put in the most face hours hut as we all know they often are chatting on msn at work. |
...and 96th most productive... |
Yep, Koreans just want to look like they're working hard. Nothing ever really gets done.
When will they realize that working smarter is better than working harder.  |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| When will they realize that working smarter is better than working harder. |
But the point is they don't actually work hard. Working hard would mean that you actually do work at work. Not spend 4 hours talking on msn and 4 hours working. |
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ryouga013
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| When will they realize that working smarter is better than working harder. |
But the point is they don't actually work hard. Working hard would mean that you actually do work at work. Not spend 4 hours talking on msn and 4 hours working. |
The new secretary at my hagwon is awesome. She is a hard worker even if she spends a lot of time on Naveron or MSN. For secretary, she doesn't have much of a choice. She comes to work early, gets all the work done. She does cleaning as well. When that's done, and if there aren't calls coming in from the parents with nothing better to do than to call in and ask why the foreign teacher doesn't state the homework clearly (clear enough for their sleeping child to understand it on the board) why shouldn't she be able to message her friends...
On the other hand... my boss has gotten better about this but sometimes he doesn't have the staff for the classes he has scheduled and tries to teach two classes at the same time. But, even with him jumping between classes, he finds the time to go into his office and play on the computer... yeeshh.... |
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Pete82
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anyway
Joined: 22 Oct 2005
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I love that parting shot...
"Bad, culture,...BAD!" |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: Re: The World's Hardest-Working Countries |
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| DCJames wrote: |
Yep, Koreans just want to look like they're working hard. Nothing ever really gets done.
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You're so right. Wonderful insight into what we can readily observe. However, you might have to admit that Korea leads the world in several fields.
Listen, I am far from being an apologist, but you need to simmer down with your angst. |
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TECO
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Japan - I see office people in convenience stores in the evening loading up on beer, food, smokes and snacks to take back to the office.
after 6pm, it's feet up on the desk, crack a beer / light a smoke, and surf the net or chatt on msn.
Later, they all head out to karaoke and more booze.
They may stay at work until 9pm or 10pm but they're not all working. it's like the group should remain at work 3 hours after closing time and no one ever goes home before the boss. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| They may stay at work until 9pm or 10pm but they're not all working. it's like the group should remain at work 3 hours after closing time and no one ever goes home before the boss. |
And the boss is just staying in the office to avoid his wife and children. |
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