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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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 Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: Girls Love Gay Male Porn? |
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Brokeback Mountain Was Just The Beginning . . .
by Tristan Taormino
I just got back from a weekend at the University of California at Santa Barbara, where I attended "Console-ing Passions: An International Conference on Television, Audio, Video, New Media, and Feminism. It was three days of geeking out with academics about TV, the Internet, and various kinds of media studies�who knew that people are getting their Ph.D.'s in Battlestar Galactica and The Hills these days? Naturally, the first panel I went to was all about porn, with four scholars presenting papers on lesbian identity politics and pornography, the 1980s cult hit Caf� Flesh and its '90s sequel, the industry in Vietnam, and bad-boy director/current Justice Department target Max Hardcore, that last topic featuring the best title ever: "Scrunchies, Braces, and Throat Fucking: Performances of Girlhood in Gonzo Porn."
A bunch of women stuck around afterwards to continue the discussion that the panel had, um, stimulated, and we began talking about the kind of porn we all watched. Someone brought up the work of Shine Louise Houston's Pink and White Productions (pinkwhite.biz), a San Francisco�based company that describes its mission as creating "adult entertainment that exposes the complexities of queer sexual desire . . . dedicated to producing sexy and exciting images that reflect today's blurred gender lines and fluid sexualities." She thought it was amazing; I chimed in and said, "Yes, it's diverse, radical, and I totally applaud Houston's vision."
Another person chimed in: "Do you like fag porn? All my queer female friends do." Hers wasn't a surprising question. I know lesbians who dig it more than any other kind of hardcore fare. I briefly dated a genderqueer dyke who just loved gay male porn: She ran out and got the newest title from her favorite company the day it came out. In this case, she adored movies from Bel Ami (belamionline.com), which feature young, hairless European lads (think the boy-on-boy version of the straight barely-legal genre). The boys are very pretty and androgynous, and some of them could definitely be mistaken for dykes with their clothes on. But other girl-loving girls love �ber-butch men, leather daddies, and big hairy bears, so it's not always about androgyny. By now, I think it's commonplace to accept that queer women love queer male porn, but what is that all about?
First, let's acknowledge a practical reality: There isn't a whole lot of lesbian porn produced by and for lesbians, or that feels authentic to lesbian viewers. Some dykes can get their fix of queerness�both the lust and the cultural aesthetics�via gay porn, even though it features people of a different gender than those they *beep* in real life. Queer is often attracted to queer first and foremost, like when the guy I lusted after in high school turned out to be gay�it makes sense in some way.
And speaking of gender, plenty of lesbians identify with various forms of masculinity: Their own gender expression may be at the masculine end of the spectrum, or they may like to fantasize and play with gender and sex. Gay porn gives them a range of masculine desires to relate to or lust after. For those dykes who themselves identify as fag�or who like butch/butch, boi/boi, or transman/transman sex�they can see a hyper-masculine version of their own sex lives and/or fantasies performed on the small screen.
The phenomenon of straight women who love gay male porn has been documented and was discussed plenty when flocks of females gushed over Brokeback Mountain. When women came out of their fag-loving closet, it illustrated the flip side of a common theory: Plenty of straight men love girl/girl porn because they want to see lots of who they lust after. The same is true for het women: They like to look at hot naked men fucking, and it doesn't really matter that they're fucking each other. I think it may also be true that while pornos full of romance and mood lighting are marketed to women, some prefer a sweaty, get-right-down-to-it romp in the locker room any day. Wired.com columnist Regina Lynn, author of Sexier Sex: Lessons from the Brave New Sexual Frontier, writes that it's not always about identifying with someone in a scene: "For me, gay porn has always been arousing because of its masculinity. The strength and power, plus the double dose of raw male drive and sexuality, add up to more than the sum of their parts."
On Nerve.com, journalist Kera Bolonik admits that she gets off with men onscreen, but not in real life: "Nothing makes me hotter than watching two men going at it. There is something really admirable about gay male porn, at least in principle: it's egalitarian. Everyone gets a turn at the top as well as at the bottom. Everyone comes, and often they do it together." I'm not sure this concept of equality is attractive to everyone (I personally like a hefty dose of power dynamics with my sex), but it supports the notion of seeing some kind of sameness, something non-heterosexual represented. And it also raises the issue that many women, regardless of their orientation, have with porn: their ambivalence or discomfort with seeing female performers when issues of consent, enjoyment, and pleasure are unclear. Somehow, our concerns and feminist politics don't overshadow the sex when women are absent (as if a man could not degrade or coerce another man, which is obviously flawed logic).
I like gay porn for the hot dudes, the overflow of testosterone, and the unapologetic sexual desire. I also like straight porn. But that's a subject for another column.
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| All I picked up was a bunch of rambling by mannish carpet munchers |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| All I picked up was a bunch of rambling by mannish carpet munchers |
Hey, how do you know she's mannish? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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I like girl on girl action..
so I guess girls like boy on boy action??
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inukshuk
Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Location: korea
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: toys on men |
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yes,
it's not totally uncommon for a girlfriend to fantasize about using the sex toy on her boyfriend. I know two women friends who have confessed to it. |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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Don't know nuthin' about dykes liking gay male porn. None of the gay women I've known have ever confessed this to me. (Though I will now be conducting a survey.)
I have, though, known several straight women who prefer, by far, gay male porn to straight porn, be it video or magazine. (Though they do report that most of their straight female friends do not share their preference.) I am, in fact, still waiting for one or two of them to return to me magazines and videos I've lent them -- you know who you are.
All the straight women I've known who did have a preference for man-on-man visual stimulation have been, oh, how shall we say it ... very man focussed, very highly sexed, dirty girls, for whom nothing could be better than seeing twice the cock, twice the cum.
Perhaps the phenomenon is related to their being able to see through the acting that most women in porn do, usually pretty badly. If there's a woman in the world who has not faked an orgasm, I've not met her. Women can spot a fake female orgasm a mile off, but, well, there's not really any faking of male orgasms, is there, even if the dialogue accompanying them can get a little silly. (My non-English-speaking husband does an incrediblle, unaccented impression of that staple of dialogue among males in porn, gay or straight - "ye-ahh." Thankfully, he doesn't do it when we're having sex; he usually does it when we're walking down the street in the middle of a crowd, completely out of the blue, which is, of course, one of the reasons I love him so much.)
I would posit that, for the women in question, the fact that less suspension of disbelief is required is key to their enjoyment. "Oh, oh god, oh god, oh yeah, do me, oh yeah, ah ah ah." Whatever. Apparently straight men have a far lower bullshit threshold than either gay men or women of any stripe, because, well, there's not really any faking of the male orgasm and, in porn at least, there's not much interest among straight men in verisimilitude. That is, two women faking an orgasm on screen is at least as hot as is the one woman their doing faking one.
Whatever. Straight people are so funny. |
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Stormy
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: Here & there
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I briefly dated a genderqueer dyke |
What exactly does this mean? I get the dyke part, but what is genderqueer?
As for the rest of the article, it's very interesting. I'm not into women myself so can't really identify with the whole 'gay is attracted to gay' thing, but 2 hot guys having sex would be more attractive to me than 2 hot women having sex. Vive la difference. |
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crash bang
Joined: 11 Jul 2007
Location: gwangju
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| I've known some women into male/male action. I had this waif model like GF that seemed turned on by it. But then some aren't. Trying to come up with general rules about women and their sexual preference is far more difficult than coming up with general rules for men. With the exception of fringe fetish stuff like peeing etc the vast majority of men are largely turned on by exactly the same things. But women, I mean, some are into hairy men, some are decidedly turned off. Some women are size queens, some don't care. Some women are into big body builder types, some aren't. |
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mikeyboy122
Joined: 28 Feb 2008
Location: namyang
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike likes dykes. |
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bogey666
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| I've known some women into male/male action. I had this waif model like GF that seemed turned on by it. But then some aren't. Trying to come up with general rules about women and their sexual preference is far more difficult than coming up with general rules for men. With the exception of fringe fetish stuff like peeing etc the vast majority of men are largely turned on by exactly the same things. But women, I mean, some are into hairy men, some are decidedly turned off. Some women are size queens, some don't care. Some women are into big body builder types, some aren't. |
yeah, but even generalizing about men's preferences isnt ironclad.
for e.g. I must be one of very few males who aren't much into lesbian action. Most men think it's like catnip, but it mostly elicits a yawn from me. |
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ds_fan
Joined: 07 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| an ex bird of mine used to watch it, maybe many do, but dont talk about it too often as its not very ladylike |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| For some reason girls who were into that yaoi stuff sent me into a homicidal rage in university. I ended up leaving the pervert club, I mean anime club over a debate about it. For those who don't know, I think if you could imagine the predatory rape fantasies in yaoi you'd make J.Dalmer blush. ughhhhhhhhh. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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They're called Fag Hags. I used to live near Dupont Circle in DC. Several of my and my ex-wifes friends were F-Hags.
My ex-wife had a rather large collection of playthings. During oral once, she tried poking me around down below with one of her vibrators. We had a very short, and very clear conversation about why that would never happen again. |
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SirFink
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't be silly. Women don't like porn. They don't even like sex. |
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