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ytuque
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 Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: Englishee and my students! |
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Why do half still say Englishee after 8 years of English language study including at least one year with a native speaker? Some have completed one year with a native speaker teacher at the uni and several years with a native speaker at various hogwans, yet they still say Englishee!
Has anyone had success stamping out Englishee or have you given up? |
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cheeseface
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Ssyangnyeon Shi
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Englishee and my students! |
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| ytuque wrote: |
Why do half still say Englishee after 8 years of English language study including at least one year with a native speaker? Some have completed one year with a native speaker teacher at the uni and several years with a native speaker at various hogwans, yet they still say Englishee!
Has anyone had success stamping out Englishee or have you given up? |
Englisheee
Orangeee
Nearly everything ending with an E eeeeeeeeee.
I'm still trying but it's a losing battle, on the Friday they will be near perfect, come back on the Monday and the Eeeeee is back again.  |
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the ireland
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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we tried and we failed, give up  |
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cheeseface
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| the ireland wrote: |
| we tried and we failed, give up |
There is still hopeeeeeeeeeee  |
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ryouga013
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| cheeseface wrote: |
| the ireland wrote: |
| we tried and we failed, give up |
There is still hopeeeeeeeeeee |
I believe that's Hopuuue
The things I am still currently working on with the younger students is that when we are practicing pronunciation, they needn't yell whatever the teacher has said quietly and clearly... With the younger students I work on trying to reduce that extra sound but not too firmly...
With the older students that are trying to be lazy or trying to be funny if we the pronounce the extra vowel from the Korean pronunciation in the speech I correct them and ask them to do it again. They don't like doing that and they do fix it. |
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cheeseface
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ryouga013 wrote: |
| cheeseface wrote: |
| the ireland wrote: |
| we tried and we failed, give up |
There is still hopeeeeeeeeeee |
I believe that's Hopuuue
The things I am still currently working on with the younger students is that when we are practicing pronunciation, they needn't yell whatever the teacher has said quietly and clearly... With the younger students I work on trying to reduce that extra sound but not too firmly...
With the older students that are trying to be lazy or trying to be funny if we the pronounce the extra vowel from the Korean pronunciation in the speech I correct them and ask them to do it again. They don't like doing that and they do fix it. |
I think that once a child/student has reached a certain level of English the pronunciation sorts it's self out. I have some really young students that are able to pronounce nearly all the worlds they come across excellently. I have older students that think it's funny to miss-pronounce words.....
Then again, I've told students not to pronounce the extra eeeee's only to be told I'm speaking wrongly and that they are right because it the Korean way of speaking!!!! |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Because English is a joke. Why respect another culture when Korea is so sparkling? Why speak properly when you can act like the doznes of jackass "comedians" you see on MBC constantly shouting "hey yo man come on baby" "oh my gawt" "haieeeeeeeeeee" "i lub u" etc. |
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Davew125
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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i've found that a lot of kids will take and believe a lot of what the korean teachers teach them as gospel. and there's no way, as a waegok, you can convince them that what they've been taught is wrong. I once had an entire class of elementary kids tell me that i was pronouncing the word margarine wrong and it is actually pronounced mar - ga - rine. their Korean teacher had taught them this - she was right and i was wrong, simple really.
With regard to adding a vowel to everything, the vast majority of Korean teachers i've worked with do exactly the same thing. the kids spend more time with and will respect more the Korean teachers so its most likely getting passed on to them that way. |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| Davew125 wrote: |
i've found that a lot of kids will take and believe a lot of what the korean teachers teach them as gospel. and there's no way, as a waegok, you can convince them that what they've been taught is wrong. I once had an entire class of elementary kids tell me that i was pronouncing the word margarine wrong and it is actually pronounced mar - ga - rine. their Korean teacher had taught them this - she was right and i was wrong, simple really.
With regard to adding a vowel to everything, the vast majority of Korean teachers i've worked with do exactly the same thing. the kids spend more time with and will respect more the Korean teachers so its most likely getting passed on to them that way. |
word.
and that is why soccer will always be "funny" in Korea, instead of being "fun" like it is in every other country. (plus a million other things that grate me nerves  ) |
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ytuque
Joined: 29 Jan 2008
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So I was told by a Korean teacher that the Korean alphabet can reproduce any phoneme. Since everything is spelled phonetically, therefore you say it as it is written. Now if that is the case, why do they say Englishee? It is written as English. This is a mystery to me.
I have met Korean English teachers who say Englishee. Even with nearly 20k native speakers teaching English in Korea, it appears Englishee will never die!
Ok I am throwing in the towel since it is expecting too muchee from my students to pronounce English correctly. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Davew125 wrote: |
i've found that a lot of kids will take and believe a lot of what the korean teachers teach them as gospel. and there's no way, as a waegok, you can convince them that what they've been taught is wrong. I once had an entire class of elementary kids tell me that i was pronouncing the word margarine wrong and it is actually pronounced mar - ga - rine. their Korean teacher had taught them this - she was right and i was wrong, simple really.
With regard to adding a vowel to everything, the vast majority of Korean teachers i've worked with do exactly the same thing. the kids spend more time with and will respect more the Korean teachers so its most likely getting passed on to them that way. |
The youngin's are more apt than the older ones to insist you're wrong. All of my high school kids know that I'm pronouncing it correctly, and I've heard of other teachers getting giggled at because their English wasn't good and they were speaking too "konglishy." Having said that, I teach at a school that's had "foreign" teachers for close to a decade, so I don't have to put up with the bullshit that a lot of other public school teachers here seem to have (mainly that the other teachers and students don't respect them). |
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Dome Vans
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pangaea
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The one I'm trying to stamp out is "Finishee." As in "Teeeaaacher, finisheeee!!"
I used to gently correct them with my happy teacher voice. "Say, 'I'm finished!'" (Big smile) Now I just bluntly tell them-"Don't say 'finishee.' Say, 'I'm finished.'" I keep correcting them and they just keep doing it.
Ah, the simple things that are capable of annoying the hell out of someone. |
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Return Jones
Joined: 06 Feb 2004
Location: I will see you in far-off places
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| ytuque wrote: |
| So I was told by a Korean teacher that the Korean alphabet can reproduce any phoneme... |
No. |
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aka Dave
Joined: 02 May 2008
Location: Down by the river
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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I always start with the word stress. Too lazy (it's late) to type out in hangul but stress in korean goes se te re sse. 4 syllables to our one.
They consider this beautiful. I consider it moronic. But I digress.
I do a karate chop. We cut off our pronociation of the words. Really, I teach these guys 2 hours a week in my uni. It's impossible. I try to train them to listen to npr.org or voa an hour a night. Unless they do that fluency is a hopeless prospect. |
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